Should Trump be impeached?

[Kidlicious]

If fairness were a doctrine the US abided by where it concerns the president, it wouldn't be DOJ policy that the president and the president alone cannot be indicted.

The President can be indicted, after he leaves office.

[Kidlicious]

How would anyone violate a right or just know about said right when it is nowhere specified?

All men know what natural rights are. Would you like to be accused of wrongdoing and have your job put in jeopardy without even having anyone question your accuser or even knowing who accused you? I don't think so because you know that's wrong. You know that you have that natural right, to be treated fairly.

[Kidlicious]

I don't see god (or gods) mentioned in the Bill of Rights

Doesn't need to be. All of those who participated in specifying those rights understood them to be natural rights.

[Kidlicious]

I'm not either, but High crimes and misdemeanors sounds like something worse than campaign finance violations. Sicking foreign governments on potential opponents for the next election might qualify, but in this case the opponent was part of the last administration that not only spied on Trump, they 'justified' it based on the Clinton campaign's opposition research solicited and purchased from foreigners.

That's the Democrat's excuse for impeaching Trump, he cant ask foreigners for help. They were doing it first in Ukraine and the Bidens are involved, Joe was in charge of our policy and even bribed/extorted them with a billion $ to fire their prosecutor while his son was being paid millions by a Ukrainian energy co suspected of crimes.

We're told this was all on the up and up, Biden cared so much about Ukrainian democracy and wanted to combat corruption. No, that was the cover story. We were funding the new government and the activists and reformers, the west was pouring money into the country and we didn't want any prosecutors investigating the money. That billion $ to fire the prosecutor was a message - dont piss off the big money, dont investigate us and our friends. We fought corruption in Ukraine by paying a billion $ bribe to fire the guy following the money, thats Machiavellian.

This is the Deep State conspiring with the media and Democrats, the latter's motive is obvious - power, but why the Deep State? They're invested in the status quo. The weapons makers dont want something like peace breaking out, 'isolationists' are the enemy, they dont want to be nicey nice with Russia or start leaving the Middle East or S Korea or Germany or Japan or... If we cant invent enemies what will justify spending trillions on 'defense'?

The President hasn't even been accused of a specific crime, which is another issue. This is just wrong on so many levels. It's really exposing the corrupt nature of so many people.

[BeBMan]

Doesn't need to be. All of those who participated in specifying those rights understood them to be natural rights.

So when the 6th Amendment says specifically "criminal" it actually means "criminal and non-criminal/whatever/anything"?

Will you also argue the US constitution protects US citizens, and anyone else not mentioned?

[Kidlicious]

So when the 6th Amendment says specifically "criminal" it actually means "criminal and non-criminal/whatever/anything"?

Will you also argue the US constitution protects US citizens, and anyone else not mentioned?

Sigh. The Constitution does not give the government authority to violate rights except where and if specified.

[BeBMan]

That's the Democrat's excuse for impeaching Trump, he cant ask foreigners for help. They were doing it first in Ukraine and the Bidens are involved, Joe was in charge of our policy and even bribed/extorted them with a billion $ to fire their prosecutor while his son was being paid millions by a Ukrainian energy co suspected of crimes.

I have no idea what Biden did or did not. I'm rather sceptic on this when it just makes the round now when he is the D pres candidate with good chances to beat T in elections.

But even if he did all this - why does Trump need to resort to impeachable stuff to get this out? He's the pres, he has a DOJ and a whole bunch of other options/resources.

If there is a point to be made about Biden so be it, but why did Rs not make it, why did they not push to investigate him seriously in a regular way earlier if that's all known since his time in office?

And if Trump did impeachable stuff now indeed pointing to others doing stuff too is no defense at all.

[-Jrabbit]

The blame game, hand-waving and distraction are second nature to Trump. His instinct to point the finger at others will likely be his undoing. He literally does not know how to react as an innocent man would.

[BeBMan]

Sigh. The Constitution does not give the government authority to violate rights except where and if specified.

Do you want to argue God intended the right to meet the accuser, defined explicitly for *criminal* matters in the US constitution, to go for all non-criminal and political procedures, and that the US constitution is violating God's will since it has defined this right so narrowly?

I'm sure you can tell us more about God's thoughts and intentions

[rah]

Kid talks to god so he knows what others don't.

[Kidlicious]

I have no idea what Biden did or did not. I'm rather sceptic on this when it just makes the round now when he is the D pres candidate with good chances to beat T in elections.

But even if he did all this - why does Trump need to resort to impeachable stuff to get this out? He's the pres, he has a DOJ and a whole bunch of other options/resources.

If there is a point to be made about Biden so be it, but why did Rs not make it, why did they not push to investigate him seriously in a regular way earlier if that's all known since his time in office?

And if Trump did impeachable stuff now indeed pointing to others doing stuff too is no defense at all.

Trump didn't do anything to be impeached for. They don't have a crime. You have to assume (and be wrong) that he is suspected of campaign finance violation. But nothing of value was exchanged, as AG Barr has stated. What people here on Poly have said, he is guilty of trying to violate campaign finance law. Well that isn't a crime. There is no way to convict him of it.

So that brings us to Biden. The American people deserve to know everything about Biden that is possible to know. Trump has the right to make sure we know everything. But of course that has to be within the law. And so far it has been

[-Jrabbit]

Totally separate issues.

[Kidlicious]

Do you want to argue God intended the right to meet the accuser, defined explicitly for *criminal* matters in the US constitution, to go for all non-criminal and political procedures, and that the US constitution is violating God's will since it has defined this right so narrowly?

I'm sure you can tell us more about God's thoughts and intentions

It's all about natural rights. The claim isn't that people have the mind of God. It's an argument based on reason. You need to study the principles of John Locke's social contract.

[Proteus_MST]

Trump didn't do anything to be impeached for. They don't have a crime. ...

Senator Lindsey Graham 1999:




This basically boild down to:
You don't need to have conducted a crime to be impeached, it is a sufficient reason if your ethical conduct is found lacking

[Kidlicious]

Clinton did commit horrible crimes though, including pressuring young women to lie for him to a grand jury.

[-Jrabbit]

Stop changing the subject.

[Ming]

Typical Repug... Clinton this, Biden that... so you must ignore what Trump did... Since they might have done something, it excuses Trump.
Again, what they did doesn't change what Trump did. If ANY of them were in the wrong, prosecute them. One doesn't excuse the other

[Kidlicious]

Wow. All Trump had to do was "threaten the whistleblower" and now Schiff isn't going to have him testify. Or is it because Schiff made himself a fact witness. What a frickin clown. Total embarrassment to the nation. Stupid rules the day.