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  • 302 summary of his interview was dated August 22, 2017. As othershave already noted, the August 22, 2017 date is a “striking detail” because that puts the 302 report “nearly seven months after the Flynn interview.” When added to facts already known, this revelation takes on a much greater significance.

    First, text messages between Strzok and former FBI Attorney Lisa Page indicate that Strzok wrote his notes from the Flynn interview shortly after he questioned the national security advisor on January 24, 2017. Specifically, on February 14, 2017, Strzok textedPage, “Also, is Andy good with F 302?” Page responded, “Launch on f 302.” Given Strzok’s role in the questioning Flynn, the date (three weeks from the interview), the notation “F 302,” and Page’s position as special counsel to Andrew McCabe, it seems extremely likely that these text exchanges concerned a February 2017, 302 summary of the Flynn interview.

    Additionally, now that we know from the sentencing memorandum that the special counsel’s office has tendered a 302 interview summary dated August 22, 2017, we can deduce that an earlier 302 form existed from James Comey’s Friday testimony before the House judiciary and oversight committees.

    During the day-long questioning of the former FBI Director, Rep. Trey Gowdy asked Comey whether the agents who interviewed Flynn had indicated that Flynn did not intend to deceive them during the interview. After Comey replied “No,” Gowdy pushed him, asking “Have you ever testified differently?” Comey again responded, “No.”

    But when asked whether he recalled being asked that question doing an earlier House hearing, Comey countered: “No. I recall — I don’t remember what question I was asked. I recall saying the agents observed no indicia of deception, physical manifestations, shiftiness, that sort of thing.” (More on that testimony shortly.) This exchange then followed:

    Mr. Gowdy: “Who would you have gotten that from if you were not present for the interview?”

    Mr. Comey: “From someone at the FBI, who either spoke to — I don’t think I spoke to the interviewing agents but got the report from the interviewing agents.”

    Mr. Gowdy: “All right. So you would have, what, read the 302 or had a conversation with someone who read the 302?”

    Mr. Comey: “I don’t remember for sure. I think I may have done both, that is, read the 302 and then investigators directly. I just don’t remember that.”

    President Trump firedComey on May 9, 2017, so the 302 of the Flynn interview Comey read must have been written before then. Why then was a new 302 drafted on August 22, 2017? And by whom?

    The timing of the re-write—shortly after then-FBI Agent Strzok was removed from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team after his anti-Trump text messages came to light—raises the possibility that Mueller wanted to scrub the evidence of Strzok’s taint. Having the second agent involved in questioning Flynn draft a new 302 summary would eliminate attacks premised on Strzok’s bias against the president.

    But was that the only reason the FBI issued a new 302? Were there any differences in the versions?

    Congress has been trying to get to the bottom of this question for months upon months. In February, senators Charles Grassley and Lindsey Graham requested the DOJ inspector general, Michael Horowitz, conduct a comprehensive review of potential misconduct in the Russia investigation and specifically asked Horowitz to answer these questions about the Flynn interview and the 302s:

    “Did the FBI agents document their interview with Lt. Gen. Flynn in one or more FD-302s? What were the FBI agents’ conclusions about Lt. Gen. Flynn’s truthfulness, as reflected in the FD-302s? Were the FD-302s ever edited? If so, by whom? At who’s direction? How many drafts were there? Are there material differences between the final draft and the initial draft(s) or the agent’s testimony about the interview?”

    Horowitz has yet to answer these questions, but the special counsel’s office now has federal judge Sullivan inquiring as well. Sullivan made history a decade ago when he ordered an independent investigation into “the systemic concealment of significant exculpatory evidence,” he discovered during the government’s prosecution of the now-deceased Ted Stevens, then the senior senator from Alaska. The DOJ’s misconduct in the Stevens’ case led Sullivan to enter a standing order in all criminal cases on his docket.

    The most recent iteration of Sullivan’s standing entered in the Flynn case required Mueller’s office to produce “any evidence in its possession that is favorable to defendant and material either to defendant’s guilt or punishment.” The order further required the government to submit to the court any information “which is favorable to the defendant but which the government believes not to be material.”

    Flynn referenced some of these materials in his sentencing memorandum, specifically the FR-302 from August 22, 2017 and a memorandum apparently written by McCabe and dated January 24, 2017—the same day as Flynn’s interview. Now Sullivan wants to see those documents and ordered Mueller by Friday afternoon “to file on the docket FORTHWITH the cited Memorandum and FD-302.” Sullivan further ordered “the government to file on the docket any 302s or memoranda relevant to [Flynn’s interview.]”

    What motivated Sullivan is unclear, but his experience in the Stevens’ case was a likely trigger. In that case, the government withheld 302s, didn’t include exculpatory statements in the 302s, and did not create a 302 for an interview that “didn’t go very well,” from the prosecution’s standpoint. Sullivan likely wants to assure himself that the Flynn case isn’t a copycat of the political targeting of Stevens from a decade ago.

    Once the government dockets the evidence, Sullivan should be able to resolve two outstanding questions: First, what, if any, changes were made to the 302s? Second, did Strzok and his fellow FBI agent express a view on whether Flynn was lying?

    Here, we return to Comey’s testimony from Friday referenced above, that “the agents observed no indicia of deception, physical manifestations, shiftiness, that sort of thing.” Comey further explained, though, that his “recollection was [Flynn] was — the conclusion of the investigators was he was obviously lying, but they saw none of the normal common indicia of deception: that is, hesitancy to answer, shifting in seat, sweating, all the things that you might associate with someone who is conscious and manifesting that they are being — they’re telling falsehoods. There’s no doubt he was lying, but that those indicators weren’t there.”

    The earlier version(s) of the 302s will either support or contradict Comey’s testimony. Same with McCabe’s January 24, 2017 memorandum. The latter will prove particularly interesting given the conflict between Comey’s latest testimony and that of McCabe, who served as deputy director of the FBI at the time. In an executive session of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, McCabe acknowledged“the two people who interviewed [Flynn] didn’t think he was lying, . . .”

    Of course, this all assumes that the special counsel’s office still has copies of the initial 302s created, which might not be the case given that when Mueller’s “pitbull,” Andrew Weissmann, led the Enron Task Force, his team, among other things, systematically destroyeddraft 302s.

    The sentencing memorandum reveals for the first time concrete evidence that the FBI created multiple summaries of Michael Flynn’s questioning.
    Last edited by Kidlicious; December 13, 2018, 15:31.
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    • The 302s will be on a device somewhere. There's no way do destroy that evidence without destroying all the devices.

      If they withheld exculpatory evidence that's a big problem.

      Edit: Because this didn't go to trial.
      Last edited by Kidlicious; December 13, 2018, 15:49.
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      • Comey said in an interview that it was unethical to interview Flynn without a lawyer present except Orange Man. He wasn't asked what his opinion of his boss had to do with treating Flynn ethically. It's in the WSJ.
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        • Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
          It's in the WSJ.
          In the Opinion section.

          It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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          • Yeah, RealClear and Federalist both drawing conclusions (actually, crafting interpretations) based on evidence that they don't actually have, or because certain charges were not included in court filings.
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            • Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
              Yeah, RealClear and Federalist both drawing conclusions (actually, crafting interpretations) based on evidence that they don't actually have, or because certain charges were not included in court filings.
              Lies.
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              • Originally posted by Kidicious View Post

                Lies.
                That pretty much sums up most(if not all) Federalist and RealClear Articles.
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                • Obviously people don't care about lies.
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                  • Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                    Obviously people don't care about lies.
                    Nope ... else Trump never would have been elected ... or at least, would have 0% support by now

                    You yourself stated that lies are totally O.K. in your book, even if it is towards officers in a federal prosecution
                    Last edited by Proteus_MST; December 13, 2018, 22:13.
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                    • Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post

                      Nope ... else Trump never would have been elected ... or at least, would have 0% support by now

                      You yourself stated that lies are totally O.K. in your book, even if it is towards officers in a federal prosecution
                      You blame Trump but you just told a lie yourself. What I said was that lying is not unethical if it doesn't harm anyone. That is not a controversial statement. But you try to make it one. And it's to cover up corrupt government, just like JR just blanketing over news reports of facts as some kind of fake news when that's the news he likes, fake.

                      But I'm not saying anything that's not as plain as day and you will surely follow up with more crap about trump or Fox News.
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                      • 302s are supposed to be completed within 5 days according to FBI guidelines. The 302 given to judge Sullivan is dated 7 months after the interview.

                        FBI Violated Policy in Flynn’s Case, Judge Demands All Exculpatory Evidence

                        By Sara Carter
                        December 13, 2018 | 1:28 PM EST

                        Afederal judge overseeing the case of Former National Security Advisor Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn is demanding to see the FBI’s first interviews with the retired three-star general after explosive information contained in a sentencing memo released Tuesday night revealed that senior FBI leadership suggested he not have a lawyer present, nor warn him that his interview was subject to penalties if he failed to provide all the answers, according to the 178 page Defendants memorandum submitted to the court.

                        U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan ordered Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office Wednesday night to turn over all the government’s documents by mid-day Friday. The exculpatory documents requested by Sullivan include any memorandums regarding Flynn’s case because of the extraordinary circumstances of the information, according to Sullivan’s request. Further, Sullivan is also requesting any documentation regarding the first interviews conducted by former anti-Trump agent Peter Strzok and FBI Agent Joe Pientka -known by the FBI as 302s- which were found to be dated more than seven months after the interviews were conducted on Jan. 24, 2017, a violation of FBI policy, say current and former FBI officials familiar with the process. According to information contained in Flynn’s memorandum, the interviews were dated Aug. 22, 2017.
                        Anything beyond five business days is a problem, eight months is a disaster.


                        FBI Supervisory Agent Jeff Danik told SaraACarter.comSullivan must also request all the communications between the two agents, as well as their supervisors around the August 2017 time-frame in order to get a complete and accurate picture of what transpired. Danik, who is an expert in FBI policy, says it is imperative that Sullivan also request “the workflow chart, which would show one-hundred percent, when the 302s were created when they were sent to a supervisor and who approved them.”

                        “The bureau policy – the absolute FBI policy – is that the notes must be placed in the system in a 1-A file within five days of the interview,” said Danik, who added that handwritten notes get placed into the FBI Sentinel System, which is the FBI’s main record keeping system. “Anything beyond five business days is a problem, eight months is a disaster.”

                        “In a case of this magnitude there is no question what is going on,” said Danik. “These agents went in the White House and had a case with a possible witness of his stature and didn’t write it up until almost eight months later? That is is unconscionable – it’s not fair to the defendant and absolutely goes against FBI policy.”

                        Problems and concerns regarding the 302 interview conducted with Flynn wasfirst reported by this reporter in December, 2017, when a former U.S. intelligence official revealed that “the recent revelation that Strzok was removed from the Special Counsel investigation for making anti-Trump text messages it seems likely that the accuracy and veracity of the 302 of Flynn’s interview as a whole should be reviewed and called into question.”

                        But the policy Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide, known as the DIOG, which was issued Dec. 16, 2008, and updated in 2016, specifies that 302s – which are written records of a subject, witness or victim interview – must be completed within 5 business days unless there are extenuating circumstances. For example, said one former senior FBI official, who spoke on background to this news site, said, for example, a 302 can be delayed if an agent has no access to a computer because they are working in a remote area and cannot submit the paperwork.

                        In this case, “which was of the highest profile investigation of the FBI, there is no excuse for this to have been delayed by six or seven months” the FBI official added.

                        In any case, not just a case like Flynn, the handwritten notes are essential and must meet the threshold “to refresh prior recollection,” he said. Those notes have to be placed within the five-day policy period because anything beyond that is subject to memory lapses and according to Danik, as well as several other former FBI officials, the notes must be approved by someone other than the agents who conducted the interview.
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                        • Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                          302s are supposed to be completed within 5 days according to FBI guidelines. The 302 given to judge Sullivan is dated 7 months after the interview.
                          Flynn's lawyers allege FBI bosses pressured him into seeking no counsel before or during the interview which ultimately led to his guilty plea. A judge demanded both sides turn over related documents.


                          Flynn's attorneys point the finger at then-FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe - claiming he pushed Flynn not to have an attorney present for the questioning.

                          They even go as far as to say the FBI threatened to take the matter to the Justice Department if Flynn were to seek counsel before sitting down with its agents.

                          'I explained that I thought the quickest way to get this done was to have a conversation between [Flynn] and the agents only,' McCabe wrote in a memorandum reported by Fox News.

                          'I further stated that if LTG Flynn wished to include anyone else in the meeting, like the White House Counsel for instance, that I would need to involve the Department of Justice. [General Flynn] stated that this would not be necessary and agreed to meet with the agents without any additional participants.'

                          Following the allegations, U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan yesterday ordered that both the Mueller investigation and the Flynn team turn over all documents relating to the fateful interview, including all contemporaneous notes, before 3pm Friday.

                          The FBI was not obliged to make clear to Flynn that he had the right of attorney, because he was not in custody.

                          However, Sullivan will be trying to determine whether or not agents used coercion to obstruct Flynn's constitutional right.
                          So,lets sum it up:
                          The FBI was not oblieged to tell Flynn about a right to a lawyer because he was not in custody.

                          That the FBI used coercion to prevent Flynn from getting one involved is nothing but allegations by Flynns lawyers.
                          And both sides need to present any materials that shed a light into those allegations.

                          Sounds pretty standard to me and like a sign for a working justice system (something (i.e. the working of the justice system) that Trump constantly tries to bend to his will)
                          Whether or not there is any truth to these allegations will still have to be shown
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                          • Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post

                            https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-pressure.html



                            So,lets sum it up:
                            The FBI was not oblieged to tell Flynn about a right to a lawyer because he was not in custody.

                            That the FBI used coercion to prevent Flynn from getting one involved is nothing but allegations by Flynns lawyers.
                            And both sides need to present any materials that shed a light into those allegations.

                            Sounds pretty standard to me and like a sign for a working justice system (something (i.e. the working of the justice system) that Trump constantly tries to bend to his will)
                            Whether or not there is any truth to these allegations will still have to be shown
                            I'm not going to go round and round with you like I did Ming. You people are apologists for people like McCabe, who is in front of a grand jury right now for unlawful and unethical behavior. There is something wrong with your personality if you think this is all ethical. All of you are fricked, and I'm getting tired of you people.

                            Judge Sulivan is primarily looking at the 302s because they are supposed to be completed within 5 days and Mueller did not tell him why the one submitted is dated 7 months after the interview.

                            So I'm getting sick of all of your excuses for this wrong doing. It's sickening, like talking to Holocaust deniers.
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                            • ****ty article. It doesn't mention anything about the date of the 302 or the trouble McCabe is in for breaking the law and unethical behaviour, or that the agents said that they didn't think Flynn lied.
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                              • While what Kid is yammering about has nothing to do with Mueller's case being a witch hunt, it is useful to read a neutral account of what is going on.

                                A federal judge on Wednesday ordered both former national security adviser Michael Flynn and the special counsel to turn over additional investigative records describing his January 2017 interview with FBI agents — a conversation in which Flynn later admitted he lied.

                                In an order filed Wednesday evening, U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan demanded to see the formal FBI records and all other relevant documents detailing Flynn’s interview with the agents in 2017 and agreed to review them under seal.

                                The judge’s request for more information could delay Flynn’s sentencing, which had been scheduled for Tuesday. He asked for documents to be turned over by Friday at 3 p.m.

                                Peter Carr, a spokesman for the special counsel, declined to comment. Attorneys for Flynn also declined to comment.

                                The onetime national security adviser to President Trump pleaded guilty last year to lying to investigators and has been cooperating since then with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 campaign.

                                Last week, Mueller told the court he was seeking no prison time for Flynn, describing him as a critical cooperating witness in the special counsel probe and other ongoing investigations.

                                Sullivan sought more details about Flynn’s FBI interview a day after Flynn’s attorneys in a court filing made their own case for why their client deserved no prison time, stressing that he had been “unguarded” when he spoke to FBI agents about his conversations with the Russian ambassador during the presidential transition.

                                The judge is well known for his concern about defendants receiving fair treatment from the government. He also issues a standard warning to prosecutors to turn over any and all information to a defendant that could be helpful in their defense, including any evidence of government misconduct.

                                Sullivan famously threw out a jury’s 2008 public corruption conviction of U.S. Sen. Ted Stevens after it was discovered that prosecutors and agents had hid evidence of key government witnesses giving conflicting accounts.

                                Flynn, who advised Trump during the campaign and transition and served very briefly as his national security adviser, admitted last year that he lied when FBI agents came to his office in the White House four days after Trump’s inauguration to ask about the nature of his conversations with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak.

                                Flynn demurred about the idea of having a lawyer sit in for the session.

                                Flynn later admitted that he lied when he told the agents he didn’t discuss sanctions with Kislyak in their call on Dec. 29, 2016, when in fact he had. Flynn’s call with Kislyak took place the same day that President Barack Obama had announced sanctions against Russia as punishment for interfering in the 2016 election process.

                                FBI agents knew Flynn was lying because the call had been monitored by U.S. intelligence officials.

                                In a memo seeking leniency in sentencing, Flynn’s attorneys said the former Army lieutenant general’s interview with the FBI needed to be considered in context. They said that the two FBI agents did not warn Flynn he was under investigation and did not question or rebut his account of the conversation with the diplomat, but simply let him continue speaking.

                                They noted that one of the agents described Flynn as appearing to consider the agents “allies.”

                                Flynn’s attorneys stressed that he accepted responsibility for his false statement, despite later learning one of the agents who interviewed him had himself been under investigation for misconduct.

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