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The only reasons given that I saw was Trumps scaremongering that the majority of DACA recipients are a bunch of criminals who abuse the social security network.
Go Proteus! Keep Lying! You are proving your case on the basis of morals!
If you want to get down to it what really upsets the Republicans about DACA is Hispanics tend to not vote for them while Dems always deliberately try to ramp up legalizing illegals specifically because they want to import more voters.
If Hispanics voted the other way you would automatically see the two parties flip positions. There is really only political opportunism at work here.
Yes, that may be ...
the current elections have shown again how far many of Trumps GOP will go in order to keep the "wrong" demographics from voting
The only reasons given that I saw was Trumps scaremongering that the majority of DACA recipients are a bunch of criminals who abuse the social security network.
If you want to get down to it what really upsets the Republicans about DACA is Hispanics tend to not vote for them while Dems always deliberately try to ramp up legalizing illegals specifically because they want to import more voters.
If Hispanics voted the other way you would automatically see the two parties flip positions. There is really only political opportunism at work here.
It was Delayed Action for Childhood Arrivals. It was Obama saying he was using his executive authority to delay proper legal action against illegal alien migrants because he wanted to do so and thought federal resources where better spent going after illegal aliens who commit felonies
If any of the DACA applicants are committing felonies, boot um. I still think resources are still better spent going after those that do commit felonies I am not denying the right of the President to do ti, but I can still consider it a dickish move that reflect poorly on our country.
And I don't have to write my congressman. He has already gone on record supporting DACA recipients.
While normally I would agree that any EO can be overturned by another EO, I look at this one as a promise made to these people that was made in good faith. I would have no problem with going with no new entries into the program. But I would like to think this country is better than yanking the rug out from these people that have done nothing wrong and their being here was not of their choice. Trumps action comes off as just mean and petty like a lot of his decisions. It may energize his base but it makes the entire country look like him.
It is valid to view it as a promise Obama made. Sadly, Congress never granted him the power to do that. If Congress wants to do so then it can do so but Obama's promise does not last beyond Obama's term in office unless codified into law as any future executive and reverse any previous executive order. Which is what has now happened.
So write an angry letter to your Congressman urging action if you want but the courts have no business doing what these hacks have done. I have a very high degree of confidence that this will be overturned on appeal because it is prima face illegitimate at first glance.
Is Trump mean and petty? Sure! That is still not a good legal reason to block a lawful executive order. If citizens decide they do not want a President who is mean and petty then they can make their will known in the next Presidential election.
Great! Write your Congressman and start a political action committee advocating for Congress to take action. That is your proper legal recourse. What is not proper is to have politically motivated partisan hacks who pretend to be judges making up excuses and justifications whole cloth without even the slightest veneer of the word of law or legality.
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Fortunately I live in germany and not the USA ... we may haver our own problems, but being ruled by a man-baby with an oversized ego (and a bunch of politicians who do his bidding no matter how legally or morally questionable it is) is not among those problems. ... so contacting one of my congressmen will not have any effect
I don't see any other reason than racism for stopping DACA for existing recipients
Then you aren't bothering to think about the matter at all. What is DACA and how to Obama originally justify it? It was Delayed Action for Childhood Arrivals. It was Obama saying he was using his executive authority to delay proper legal action against illegal alien migrants because he wanted to do so and thought federal resources where better spent going after illegal aliens who commit felonies (those are the same illegal alien felons ****bag democratic extremists in my state now protect from deportations via the "The Sanctuary State" law which should be named the "Release illegal alien felons into our neighborhoods" law).
You are now wrongly claiming the executive does not have the authority to say that temporary delayed action is over and now laws will once again be enforced. Your position truly is nonsensical upon even the slightest examination. "Delay" is not amnesty nor is it permanent. Clearly, the President has the power to say we are no longer delaying and now we will enforce the duely enacted laws of the United States.
While normally I would agree that any EO can be overturned by another EO, I look at this one as a promise made to these people that was made in good faith. I would have no problem with going with no new entries into the program. But I would like to think this country is better than yanking the rug out from these people that have done nothing wrong and their being here was not of their choice. Trumps action comes off as just mean and petty like a lot of his decisions. It may energize his base but it makes the entire country look like him.
Exactly
I can not think how anyone who claims to be "christian" can support Trumps move against DACA.
Yeah you do. It's a simple matter of listening to the other sides argument.
The only reasons given that I saw was Trumps scaremongering that the majority of DACA recipients are a bunch of criminals who abuse the social security network.
While normally I would agree that any EO can be overturned by another EO, I look at this one as a promise made to these people that was made in good faith. I would have no problem with going with no new entries into the program. But I would like to think this country is better than yanking the rug out from these people that have done nothing wrong and their being here was not of their choice. Trumps action comes off as just mean and petty like a lot of his decisions. It may energize his base but it makes the entire country look like him.
I wouldn't call it "my desires" ... rather my belief for fairness and morals.
Those protected by DACA (and now possibly getting expulsed) were not sesponsible for their situation ... neither did they, themselves decide to the USA (that was done by their parents), nor did they (as a group) do anything that lets it appear valid grounds to revoke their protection again. They are just a playing ball in the hands of as man-baby with an oversized Ego who, for inexplicable reasons, became PotUS.
Fact is that Donnies actions against DACA will create a wave of distrust of Hispanics against the US government (after all those in DACA freely gave their addresses/names away to the government in hope, now getting somehow legally recvognized and not having to stay in hiding anymore ... hopes that Trump repeatedly tries to shatter with no good reason at all (except for appeasing the racists among his fans and making a boogey man out of the Latinos)
Whether or not Donnies revoking of DACA via EO is correct ... dunno ... maybe you are right and it is correct, on procedural grounds ... or maybe the reasoning in the article spambot quoted is right and the attempts to stop Donnie from revoking DACA will prevail over Trumps attempts in fighting it
Great! Write your Congressman and start a political action committee advocating for Congress to take action. That is your proper legal recourse. What is not proper is to have politically motivated partisan hacks who pretend to be judges making up excuses and justifications whole cloth without even the slightest veneer of the word of law or legality.
Trying to devine the Executive's motivations in his inner most heart of hearts is a stupid and fruitless endeavor which is not going to stand up in court. As long as the executive can state an even semi-plausable excuse which does not violate the constitution then that is the ONLY constitutional review proper for the courts to do, period.
I don't see any other reason than racism for stopping DACA for existing recipients
I can see several justifications. 1) Many people saw Obama's original move creating it as illegal to began with as it contravened laws which had actually been passed by Congress as the constitution detailed. 2) Many people really do believe illegal should mean illegal and that law breakers should never given amnesty. 3) If Dems want to change the law then they need to go through Congress to do so.
Then you get into the procedural arguments about any president having absolute power to repeal any executive order for any reason he so pleases and courts legally have no say in the matter, at all, other than to review them for constitutionality. I don't see how anyone can argue with that last part so, of course, Trump has the power to end it via EO if Obama ever had the power to create it via EO.
If you are going to claim to hold your opinion on moral grounds don't also state that people are against DACA because of racism, because then you are saying that you don't really have morals.
I don't see any other reason than racism for stopping DACA for existing recipients
The demographic being citizens of foreign countries.
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