"Obama wiretapped Trump Tower - well, just kidding, dunno really"

[Kidlicious]

Yah, that would be unbelievable...

You will see whatever you want there. Colluding with Russia is a serious crime. If that were criminal activity he would be on trial. But please don't let me stop you from enjoying your fantasy.

[I AM I AM I AM MOBIUS]

when i buy breitbart, just gonna run a story saying the wall has been built

gonna save us tons,beYUGE

[Kidlicious]

And had they not talked to russian spies (rrsulting in their talks being wiretapped from the phones of said russsian spies), then this request wouldn't have turned up anything
With other words, this request is totally different from someone in Obamas government ordering the wiretapping/spying on Trump campaigners

No. Wiretapping is legal, with a warrant BTW. It doesn't matter that they didn't wiretap. Not one bit. You are uselessly focussing on that claim. The phone conversations were already recorded. The IC was analysing them and using them in their investigation, AND THE NAMES WERE MASKED. Then the WH requested that the names be unmasked and the documents be sent to the WH. Again, the WH is not supposed to do criminal investigation. That is what the IC is for.

Now the issue is why we're the names unmasked at the request of the WH when the IC had not unmasked the names prior to that in their investigation. That's what we need to know, and we don't.

So, you are a high ranking CIA/FBI professional who has access to top secret documents about ongoing investigations, even those that the FBI/CIA doesn't disclose to the public?

WTF?! No intelligence official has said that there is an investigation. The fake news has not even reported that.

Lets see:
1. Hackers (most probably russian ones) targeted eMails from Hillary Clinton & Associates during her run for presidency and published them
2. The same hackers didn't target Donald Trump, her competitor
3. Persons from Trumps campaign staff had phone conversations with russian agents

Yes, that lets it appear very suspicious.
If it were the other way round, Breitbart & Co would most probably immediately start 24/7 calls for Hillarys impeachment/arrest and all her a russian spy-president

Having conversations with Russian agents means NOTHING! Big fat zero! I don't care who is suspicious. You can be suspicious of whoever you want. What you can't do is spy on your political opponents because you are suspicious of them. Anyone who says that is an insane authoritarian!

[I AM I AM I AM MOBIUS]

after the trials, we will discuss capital punishment for treason

when i return, it will be with a donald in cuffs/orange jumpsuit/tombstone avatar taken from whatever image is published worldwide

historic justice

[I AM I AM I AM MOBIUS]

does extended family still get secret service protection if the president is found guilty?

i can't imagine ivanka being able to ever walk down a street without being attacked by crazed citizens

might need federal prison just for protection.

how much to wall off maralago? i wonder

can you imagine the danger? obamas' shadow government will be back into the fold

[Aeson]

You will see whatever you want there. Colluding with Russia is a serious crime. If that were criminal activity he would be on trial. But please don't let me stop you from enjoying your fantasy.

Words have meanings.

[Kidlicious]

Words have meanings.

Some words are more equal than others.

[kentonio]

Repeating myself again, Rice requested that the names of Trump associates be unmasked. The IC masked the names like they were supposed to, and they are professional analysts, not political appointees with an interest in finding information against their political opponents.

Kid, to get the names unmasked the IC have to decide that the request is valid. They had every right to decide that a request from Rice was not valid and to refuse it, but they did not.

Also,, to repeat myself again, there is no criminal investigation of Trump, or any of the people unmasked unless one of them is Flynn.

You and I have no idea who is currently under investigation until that information is released by the FBI. Comey's statement was very clear on the scope of the investigation though..

The F.B.I., as part of our counterintelligence effort, is investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 president election, investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts.

Now read that again. Now remind yourself that the person saying those words was the head of the ****ing FBI talking about the President of the United States campaign team.

[Kidlicious]

I don't think you understand that a counterintelligence investigation is different from a criminal investigation, and that only those under criminal investigation might be spied on, and not people associated with them.

A high ranking intelligence officer had to have made the decision to unmask. I'm not saying Rice is the only guilty person. We need an investigation. We need Rice to answer questions under oath.

[-Jrabbit]

Kid, I love how you act like you have some special behind-the-scenes insight into what's "really" happening.
Like it's the rest of the world that doesn't get it.

Adorable.

[Berzerker]

Repeating myself again, Rice requested that the names of Trump associates be unmasked. The IC masked the names like they were supposed to, and they are professional analysts, not political appointees with an interest in finding information against their political opponents.

So she knew the names before asking they be unmasked? Were they the only names she requested unmasking?

You will see whatever you want there. Colluding with Russia is a serious crime. If that were criminal activity he would be on trial. But please don't let me stop you from enjoying your fantasy.

I prefer Trump to Pence, but I saw video of Trump asking foreign rivals to attack his opponent's campaign and here you are accusing Obama. Why did he wait until after the election to let the American people know the Russians were helping Trump?

[Kidlicious]

So she knew the names before asking they be unmasked? Were they the only names she requested unmasking?



I prefer Trump to Pence, but I saw video of Trump asking foreign rivals to attack his opponent's campaign and here you are accusing Obama. Why did he wait until after the election to let the American people know the Russians were helping Trump?

I believe that she admitted to requesting transcripts of Trump associates, and that their names be unmasked. That's all we know. If she was looking for stuff for political reasons, which is what I believe, she asked for everything she could get. She isn't being helpful, and she denied everything before she got busted. What does that tell you?

Whatever reason you have for not liking Trump seems very petty compared to this. This is a monumental abuse of power. You think this crap is OK, but you still have your panties in a twist because of stupid **** Trump said during the campaign? What the hell dude? Do you want America to turn into a banana republic? Because that's what's happening.

[Aeson]

I believe that she admitted to requesting transcripts of Trump associates, and that their names be unmasked. That's all we know. If she was looking for stuff for political reasons, which is what I believe, she asked for everything she could get. She isn't being helpful, and she denied everything before she got busted. What does that tell you?

Whatever reason you have for not liking Trump seems very petty compared to this. This is a monumental abuse of power. You think this crap is OK, but you still have your panties in a twist because of stupid **** Trump said during the campaign? What the hell dude? Do you want America to turn into a banana republic? Because that's what's happening.

Someone doesn't know what a banana republic is ... or has a very dim view of Trump's economic plan ...

[Aeson]

I suppose we could become a nation which relies on Mexican capital to fund our wall building based economy ...

[Berzerker]

I believe that she admitted to requesting transcripts of Trump associates, and that their names be unmasked. That's all we know. If she was looking for stuff for political reasons, which is what I believe, she asked for everything she could get.

did she request transcripts and unmasking names of other people?
why didn't she (and Obama) disclose the stuff before the election?

[Aeson]

Obama wanted Trump to get elected so he looks better in contrast. "It was all downhill after Obama left...."