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  • #196
    That's a step in the right direction... a far more educated approach then sticking your fingers in your ears.
    Keep on Civin'
    RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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    • #197
      Just understand I am fearful of what will happen to someone I love.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #198
        Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
        Deferred action is an easy target though and would be easy to take away. I am not going to trust Trump, because based on his past dealings he isn't one to be trusted.
        Yes, Trump isn't to be trusted.
        However this goes especially for the promises he made.
        Trump is a natural born populist ... I wouldn't trust one of the promises he made during his campaign ... in good as in bad

        Ming is right that Trump is a wildcard.
        (and IMHO deluded insofar that he seems to think to be able to lead the state like one of his companies ... perhqaps a confrontation with reality in office might change this)
        Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
        Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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        • #199
          Yes... He is deluded... VERY DELUDED.
          And a total wild card. God only knows what he's going to do.
          Keep on Civin'
          RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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          • #200
            Originally posted by Elok View Post
            It's unclear how much, if anything, he will do about immigration. His signature proposal on the matter was fantastically impractical, and mainly used as a slogan or metaphor for the campaign itself. Getting rid of all illegals would be extremely complicated, trample on a lot of civil-liberties toes, and generate a lot of ill-will. It would also do bad things to the economy. Which doesn't mean he wouldn't try, but it seems more probable to me that his first focus will be on avenging various petty grudges.
            it could be very popular, though, with the right framing: 'we've all these great people who want to come to our country, and they go through the process, wait in line, do things in the right way, respect our laws; and then, on the other hand, there are lots of people who don't do any of that, who show us, who show you, the american people, no respect, and who think they're too good to wait in line like the others or even to pay taxes. they have to go back.'

            i could see that going down well with a lot of people. plus a generally more restrictive approach to immigration is what his base wants.
            "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

            "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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            • #201
              Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
              Yes, Trump isn't to be trusted.
              However this goes especially for the promises he made.
              Trump is a natural born populist ... I wouldn't trust one of the promises he made during his campaign ... in good as in bad

              Ming is right that Trump is a wildcard.
              (and IMHO deluded insofar that he seems to think to be able to lead the state like one of his companies ... perhqaps a confrontation with reality in office might change this)
              I hope you are right.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #202
                It won't be popular when the economy crashes due to losing ten million plus workers doing jobs no one else wants to do, checkpoints requiring papers, agents going door to door searching houses for illegals, and the court system being backed up for a decade with deportation cases.

                Because that's what deporting all the illegals requires.

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                • #203
                  Originally posted by Aeson View Post
                  It won't be popular when the economy crashes due to losing ten million plus workers doing jobs no one else wants to do, checkpoints requiring papers, agents going door to door searching houses for illegals, and the court system being backed up for a decade with deportation cases.

                  Because that's what deporting all the illegals requires.
                  Plus I'm sure he hires some in his own companies.

                  I hope you guys are right. For sure.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #204
                    Originally posted by Aeson View Post
                    It won't be popular when the economy crashes due to losing ten million plus workers doing jobs no one else wants to do, checkpoints requiring papers, agents going door to door searching houses for illegals, and the court system being backed up for a decade with deportation cases.

                    Because that's what deporting all the illegals requires.
                    i'm not sure that it does. if i had to design such a policy, i would probably start by cracking down on businesses known to employ illegal immigrants, i.e. random checks on businesses in sectors where illegal employment is rife, with harsh penalties for those caught. i would also pass laws, or put pressure on states to pass laws, that seriously restrict or make impossible access to government services for illegal immigrants. i would change the law to make deportation easy and instant, bypassing the courts and severely restricting or preferably removing any appeals. once the environment has become sufficiently hostile for illegal immigrants, many will leave of their accord and most will stop coming.

                    as for the economy, the impact is certainly open to question, and there is certain no shortage of arguments that can be made in support of such policies.
                    "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                    "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                    • #205
                      That's nice. Except it doesn't stand a chance in hell with such a divided Congress. Depending on what happens in Louisiana, it could be 51-49 Congress. I am sure some Republicans won't even pass such harsh measures on immigrants.

                      Anything like that would have to be part of the budget and good luck!

                      Oh and undocumented immigrants contribute far more and deporting all of them would cause an economic crash.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #206
                        just to be clear, i'm an anarchist who supports the removal of borders, but i am simply saying how these things could be politically possible, and the way they could be framed. this is especially true if combined with reforms to the legal immigration system: 'we're helping those who play by the rules and cracking down on those who break them, etc.'
                        "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                        "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                        • #207
                          Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
                          Just understand I am fearful of what will happen to someone I love.
                          I hope your friend is ok.

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                          • #208
                            Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                            i'm not sure that it does. if i had to design such a policy, i would probably start by cracking down on businesses known to employ illegal immigrants, i.e. random checks on businesses in sectors where illegal employment is rife, with harsh penalties for those caught....

                            You mean businesses like the construction business (illegal contruction workers) or real estate (I guess housekeeping services like those employed by real estate companies which own skyscrapers often employ illegal immigrants).

                            I am sure this will have an interesting effect on Trumps Megacorporation (which seems to do a lot in those 2 fields of business)
                            Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                            Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                            • #209
                              Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                              I hope your friend is ok.
                              Boyfriend.

                              Well.. Maybe we will get married and Trump sure as hell can't do anything about that.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #210
                                Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                                I hope your friend is ok.
                                Me too.
                                It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                                RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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