So be it.

[Ellestar]

You specifically mentioned denying gays equal rights was an example of your "higher morality". I pointed out it is not.

I didn't say anything about rights. And yes, immoral things like same sex relationships are immoral and should be kept private. And children should be protected from it. Your immoral decadent society, unfortunately, lost some of the moral values of your ancestors.

[giblets]

Russia will never leave the middle ages

[Proteus_MST]

Russia will never leave the middle ages

Or rather, they are returning to the middle ages.
They seem to be similar to thre turkey ... after good steps forwards with regards to individual freedoms of their citizens, they now take huge leaps backwards, under their current leaders

[rah]

It robs him of a mandate and the idea he can do whatever he wants. Plus if the Senate is 51/49... It may be harder. The GOP will probably win that seat though.

The lead may grow to 1.2-1.5 million and that is slightly more significant.

Not sure what you're implying. If Hillary had won based on popular vote she wouldn't have had a mandate either. Even if she had won by over a million.
This election was razor close either way.

[Ellestar]

Russia will never leave the middle ages

Yeah, and which societies had rampant same sex relationships? Ancient Rome before decline, Ottoman Empire before decline, EU before... You got the idea, right? As i said, immoral decadent societies. So you're returning to middle ages.

[Ellestar]

Or rather, they are returning to the middle ages.
They seem to be similar to thre turkey ... after good steps forwards with regards to individual freedoms of their citizens, they now take huge leaps backwards, under their current leaders

Saying the country that doesn't even have universal healthcare lol. And they're teaching us about morals.

[Proteus_MST]

Saying the country that doesn't even have universal healthcare lol. And they're teaching us about morals.

Germany has a national healthcare system (actually we were the first). You are mistaking us for the USA

[kentonio]

Yeah, and which societies had rampant same sex relationships? Ancient Rome before decline, Ottoman Empire before decline, EU before... You got the idea, right? As i said, immoral decadent societies. So you're returning to middle ages.

Wow, you sound exactly like those stupid religious ****s who blame natural disasters on 'the gays'. Let me just take this opportunity to tell you to go **** yourself.

[Giancarlo]

Not sure what you're implying. If Hillary had won based on popular vote she wouldn't have had a mandate either. Even if she had won by over a million.
This election was razor close either way.

I'm not arguing either would have.

It would have been close either way.

[Giancarlo]

Wow, you sound exactly like those stupid religious ****s who blame natural disasters on 'the gays'. Let me just take this opportunity to tell you to go **** yourself.

We may not agree all the time, but I would buy you a round of whatever you like to drink.

He brought up Rome... Rome adopted Christianity a century or so before it fell. Would I blame Christianity? Not really. Rome fell because of overexpansion, poor governance and a crumbling military force. It wasn't because of the gays lol.

The rest of his examples are nonsense. The Ottomans fell for much the same reasons. Poor governance and dissension/rebellions in provinces. Also a certain minor event known as WWI. Nothing major right? But gays are to blame more lol.

[Giancarlo]

I didn't say anything about rights. And yes, immoral things like same sex relationships are immoral and should be kept private. And children should be protected from it. Your immoral decadent society, unfortunately, lost some of the moral values of your ancestors.

I am not going to keep my relationship private, not anymore than a heterosexual couple. My boyfriend is my boyfriend and we will hold hands.

This doesn't mean I'm going to suck his face in public or have sex in public. But I am not going to be living in the ****ing shadows.

[giblets]

I am not going to keep my relationship private, not anymore than a heterosexual couple. My boyfriend is my boyfriend and we will hold hands.

This doesn't mean I'm going to suck his face in public or have sex in public. But I am not going to be living in the ****ing shadows.

You're destroying America

[Ellestar]

Germany has a national healthcare system (actually we were the first). You are mistaking us for the USA

Yep, my mistake. Anyway, my point was that your elites (well, Europe is kinda okayish but really, French so called "socialists" completely betraying their workers?) are guiding your attention from a real problems (like economy or corrupt elites or NATO wars and millions dead or suffering from it all over the world) to unimportant things like a tear of a gay. Of course, we have exactly the same thing happening in Russia - corrupt elites are the same everywhere, and they're natural enemies of common people for a good reason.

And i see on forums that you actually fall for it. If you care about what going on in other countries, how about stopping NATO wars? But you have absolutely zero peaceful movements right now. When you were scared of USSR and a nuclear war, you had it. You cared only when it was all about your own sorry cowardly skins, and now you don't care about wars. Now NATO kills and displaces people without any internal resistance at all. You're totally ignorant to it. Gays lived for the length of a human civilization without any gay marriages or perverted stuff like that, and they can continue to do so without your care. And they're perfectly capable of making normal families, as history shown us. So it's not what should be your concern. Besides, you can't change minor things like cultural differencies anyway.

What you can do is to force your governments to stop offensive wars all over the world for no reason. You can force your governments to stop funding terrorists and put economic sanctions on countries that REALLY support terrorism - everyone knows that Saudi Arabia and Quatar are one of the biggest supporters, for example. But instead of caring about things that you actually can change (you're living in a democratic countries, or where?), you're caring about things you can't change (no matter how you wish for it to change, common people in Russia will not change overnight and will not suddenly love gays). Or, rather, you're brainwashed to think about things you can't change - because your governments don't want you to stop your government's wars. Besdies, as usual, your ally Saudi Arabia beheads gays (in addition to being a widely known biggest terrorist supporter in the world)... And i don't see any sanctions against them. So there goes all your "moral values", right down the drain, because everyone knows you're just hyprocrites who shamelessly lie to entire world even about things like "gay rights".

[Giancarlo]

Your views are wretched to the core. Take it somewhere else. I'm not going to read that big pathetic diatribe about how gays are horrible.

Here is a news flash for you: At one point slavery was moral, legal and condoned. For many centuries.

Just because something happened in the past doesn't make it right. I will never go back in the closet and I won't hide in the shadows so you can just deal with it.

The way you look at other human beings is sick. You will NEVER look down on me. I am a BETTER person than you!

[Ben Kenobi]

There are a lot of advantages to Westminster, IMO. I do wish that Canada's system was bicameral, that is a substantial American advantage. Ideally, you'd have the bicameral American system with the Westminster system over the Presidency.