Hillary Clinton, the Goldwater Girls and Margaret Sanger

[Ben Kenobi]

You have been called on the quote already, but you keep posting as if you still believe it's true... which it isn't.

I provided additional quotes indicating that she was a big proponent of eugenics. I'm not sure why you aren't understanding how it all fits together. If you believe that it's ok to kill the unfit to improve the breed, then abortion is part and parcel for this.

And the ethos hasn't really gone away today. Look at idiotcracy or even the folks saying that babies are carbon polluters. Same Malthusian claptrap.

Sanger wasn't the originator, but she was a devoted follower.

[Lorizael]

If he is willing to say racist things (which he does) and wants to enact racist policies (which he does), he's a racist. Q.E.D.

That's his starting point, and there is no excusing it. At all. Ever. For any reason. I'm mystified as to why you thing there's some fine distinction to be made based on your (frankly bizarre) supposition that it might just be an act.

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP MAKING EXCUSES FOR THIS FASCIST BLOWHARD?

Well, as I said in the part of my post you didn't quote, the distinction doesn't matter for me or my vote. Trump is an awful human being for a spectacular variety of reasons, but I'm honestly not sure he actually harbors specific hatred toward other races. On the other hand, for example, I think it's very obvious that Trump has a deeply problematic attitude toward women that is not in any sense manufactured to appeal to an audience.

[Berzerker]

How can you possibly think the racist label doesn't apply to Trump???

I guess it depends on how the word is defined, I thought it referred to someone who believed their race was superior while having disdain or hatred for other races. Or maybe one or the other... Trump has several unfortunate traits but I'd need solid evidence to believe he's a racist.

[-Jrabbit]

The fact that, clinically speaking, Donald Trump is almost certainly both sociopath and narcissist, does not negate the obvious fact of his racism.

The fact that he might feel no emotion on the topic does does not make him any less racist. Sorry, but no one who consistently makes racist statements, who openly and consistently promotes racial divisiveness for personal or political gain, and who refuses to disavow endorsements from white power groups, gets a free pass on that.

[Ming]

I provided additional quotes indicating that she was a big proponent of eugenics. I'm not sure why you aren't understanding how it all fits together. If you believe that it's ok to kill the unfit to improve the breed, then abortion is part and parcel for this.

And the ethos hasn't really gone away today. Look at idiotcracy or even the folks saying that babies are carbon polluters. Same Malthusian claptrap.

Sanger wasn't the originator, but she was a devoted follower.

So you are willing to concede that the weed quote isn't true, and that you used it anyway?

[kentonio]

I provided additional quotes indicating that she was a big proponent of eugenics. I'm not sure why you aren't understanding how it all fits together. If you believe that it's ok to kill the unfit to improve the breed, then abortion is part and parcel for this.

Why would you bother posting quotes about her being a eugenics proponent when we've been saying that all along anyway? What you keep dishonestly doing however is to draw conclusions from that that aren't actually supported by her own words. She wasn't a racist and one of her life goals was to reduce abortion by proving women with sensible family planning means.

It says a lot about your character and lack of honesty that you can't just use the fact she was into eugenics as a focus of your attacks, but instead feel the need to make up other stuff.

[giblets]

Idiocracy is satire

[Ben Kenobi]

So you are willing to concede that the weed quote isn't true, and that you used it anyway?

Why is it so important to you that Sanger isn't the racist she is?

[Ming]

Why is it so important to you that Sanger isn't the racist she is?

Typical BK... trying to put words in my mouth yet again. My comments were about you lying as usual. How you just make crap up.
Even after being proved wrong, you continued supporting your own lie. You are a dishonest scum bag.

So one more time... Are you willing to concede that the weed quote isn't true, and that you used it anyway?

[Berzerker]

thats deplorable

[Ben Kenobi]

Why would you bother posting quotes about her being a eugenics proponent when we've been saying that all along anyway?

Because eugenics proponents in the 20s and the 30s believed that black people, handicapped people, etc were a drain on society and that society was better off without than with them. The two ideologies are very connected.

What you keep dishonestly doing however is to draw conclusions from that that aren't actually supported by her own words.

Are you suggesting that eugenicists at the time believed in racial equality?

She wasn't a racist and one of her life goals was to reduce abortion by proving women with sensible family planning means.

Her goal was to preserve the white race, who, as she thought, was under pressure from the same tired old Malthusian arguments concerning good breeding. She saw abortion as a tool to reduce their birthrate to ameliorate the birthrate differential between the two.

It says a lot about your character and lack of honesty that you can't just use the fact she was into eugenics as a focus of your attacks, but instead feel the need to make up other stuff.

I'm amused that we have eugenics proponents here on Apolyton. Which, was what I was trying to smoke out all along. Yes, I'm glad to know which people here support it.

[Ben Kenobi]

Even after being proved wrong, you continued supporting your own lie. You are a dishonest scum bag.

I'm curious why this argument is so important to you that Margaret Sanger not be the racist that she was.

[Ben Kenobi]

Sanger's words:

Organized charity itself is the symptom of a malignant social disease. Those vast, complex, interrelated organizations aiming to control and to diminish the spread of misery and destitution and all the menacing evils that spring out of this sinisterly fertile soil, are the surest sign that our civilization has bred, is breeding and perpetuating constantly increasing numbers of defectives, delinquents and dependents.

It [charity] encourages the healthier and more normal sections of the world to shoulder the burden of unthinking and indiscriminate fecundity of others; which brings with it, as I think the reader must agree, a dead weight of human waste. Instead of decreasing and aiming to eliminate the stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the race and the world, it tends to render them to a menacing degree dominant [emphasis added].

We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members

[Ming]

I'm curious why this argument is so important to you that Margaret Sanger not be the racist that she was.

Margaret Sanger isn't important to me... Never said she was, Never said whether she is a racist or not, Never said i cared. You are the one yet again trying to put words in my mouth and changing the subject.
What is important is your dishonesty. You just lie or make stuff up to support your point of view.

One more time... and this time, answer the question. Are you willing to concede that the weed quote isn't true, and that you used it anyway?

Or are you just going to continue to be a dishonest scum bag.

[Berzerker]

she sounds like a Republican complaining about Romney's 47%