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  • #46
    Originally posted by Aeson View Post
    as in Ben Hur (hur hur)
    No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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    • #47
      I don't know much at all about Canadian history, but it should be noted that Britain's "imperial" phase was late and short-lived. America and Australia, at least, were never really Britain in the same way that even the most obscure Roman holdings became authentically Roman. To the point where the eastern half remained culturally Latin for several centuries after losing touch with Rome itself. To the very end, the Byzantines continued to refer to themselves as "the Romans"; our name for them was invented centuries after they fell. Hence the first sizable Turkish holding in Anatolia proudly called itself the "Sultanate of Rum," that being the closest Turkish would allow to "Rome."
      Canada was mostly settled by British people, at least in Ontario and in western Canada. The argument that 'Canadians weren't really British, is no different than arguing that Roman settlers in Gaul 'weren't really Roman'.

      Canadian British immigration goes from the second world war back to about 1750. That's 200 years. More than long enough to establish British traditions in Canada.
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      • #48
        Rome should have never adopted Christianity for one. That myth is one or the key reasons it collapsed.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
          Cannot be so weak ... considering the fact that the romans conquered the greek states with ease

          Obviously the greek made the mistake of resting on their own past laurels for too long ... instead of adapting to modern times ... especially when it came to battle strategies
          And what good did it do them?

          In a few decades they crumpled by the barbarians (you ) and their empire was dust

          And then ΕΝ ΤΟΥΤΩ ΝΙΚΑ for a thousand years

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          • #50
            Sometime in there one of the five patriarchs suffered a narcissistic blow and started thinking he was better than the rest and named himself pope.
            He fabricated a convoluted version of christianity and started molesting children.

            And that concludes the roman empire's negligable flirtation with history

            (italians are cool tho)

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Dry View Post
              Except that the initial EU goal was to rebuild Charlemagne's empire, not the Roman one. The 6 core/founder countries together were effectively reforming Charlemagne's empire, geographicaly at least.
              There is close to no reference to the Roman empire in the EU. There are a few to Charlemagne's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne_building).
              It is with the addition of more countries (Spain, Portugal, UK, Greece,...) that some said "hmmm, wait... let's pretend we rebuild the Roman empire instead..."
              But then came the scandinavian vikings and other barbarians from beyond the Danube...
              Today, the EU is so large that nobody can tell what we are rebuilding.

              The only remains of the roman empire is the RCC. The pope is called the Pontifex Maximus, as was the Roman emperor, and the imperial purple, color of the Emperors, has been overtaken by the Church.
              Catholics are all that is left from the Western Roman Empire.

              Ok on a more serious note,
              I think the charlemagne bulding is just coincidence/ non significant.
              the benelux italy france and germany that made the original six were just a result of how they wanted to pool arms making resources under a common supranational commission.
              without germany it wouldn't have made sense, same with france.
              the three peanuts were on the right place and that's basically it

              it reminds me of the laurels they waved in favor of the glory of greece the history the soul of europe the foundation blah blah when it was time to enter.

              they just wanted to show that the project could work on the periphery and then they built on that


              not that I don't like the pointless romanticism but just to remain real

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Bereta_Eder View Post
                not that I don't like the pointless romanticism but just to remain real
                Deliberate pun?
                One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                • #53
                  the whole world is a deliberate pun

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by BeBro View Post
                    ROMANES EUNT DOMUS!
                    'People called Romanes they go the house'?!
                    There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.

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                    • #55
                      I wonder if one can suffer a monty python overdose

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Bereta_Eder View Post
                        I wonder if one can suffer a monty python overdose
                        Never...
                        Keep on Civin'
                        RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Uncle Sparky View Post
                          'People called Romanes they go the house'?!


                          I know this is correct even without posting it a hundred times
                          Blah

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                          • #58
                            Just gonna drop this here, may be of interest:

                            Two skeletons have been discovered in a London graveyard which could change our view of the history of Europe and Asia.
                            Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Main_Brain View Post
                              Just gonna drop this here, may be of interest:

                              http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37452287
                              Always interesting to read about ancient european-asian relations (that seem to be stronger than assumed mere decades ago) ... after all it is known that there were roman-chinese trade relations (with roman glasswares getting imported in china and chinese silk imported in rome)

                              That also reminds me of the finding several years ago, that the inhabitants of a chinese village along the silk road may be descendants of roman legionaries (although the results still are widely disputed)


                              The Romans in the first century BCE were perhaps the most growing empires around. Though the civil wars of Caesar and Pompey, and Octavian and Marc Antony


                              Crassus (who led the legions which were getting defeated at Carrhae and maybe being the root of the roman descendancy in the chinese town) reminds me of Donald Trump btw
                              The speech to his soldiers (and other actions) before embarking on the parthian expedition was truely Trump-esque,
                              ...
                              For instance, in a speech to his soldiers he proclaimed that he would destroy a bridge ‘so that none of you would be able to return’ but when he noticed the expressions of dismay amongst his soldiers, Crassus quickly corrected himself by explaining that he had been referring to the enemy. At one point he ordered the distribution of lentils and salt to the troops, oblivious that this was a meal offered at funerals. ...
                              Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                              Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Main_Brain View Post
                                Just gonna drop this here, may be of interest:

                                http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37452287
                                It would appear that it the Chinese will be involved in the time wars. Did they go back in time to destroy the Roman empire and restrict the development of the West?
                                One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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