Oh god. He lives in California.
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For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
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Originally posted by Giancarlo View PostFor a candidate that would pretty much only help Trump? The only one I think that could hurt Trump is Johnson. Maybe.
I'm a realist. That's all.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Elok View PostYes, Dinner. You mustn't throw your vote away; you have a very good chance of personally determining where California's electoral votes go.
I disagree. I think it would be awesome to see the Clintons arguing against allowing sex offenders into the White House.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Dinner View PostHelp Trump? Are you high? Do you think there is any way Trump would win California? Either way it is my vote, MY vote, and I do not owe it to anyone and will use it for the candidate who most closely matches my political positions. Hillary has not earned MY vote and maybe the major political parties would become more responsive if more people were willing to walk away from a party who hasn't bothered to earn their vote.
By the way, most of California disagrees with you... if you do in fact live here.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
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You are a precious little snow flake, man. You are more than a little off of your rocker but you are still precious.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Dinner View PostHelp Trump? Are you high? Do you think there is any way Trump would win California? Either way it is my vote, MY vote, and I do not owe it to anyone and will use it for the candidate who most closely matches my political positions. Hillary has not earned MY vote and maybe the major political parties would become more responsive if more people were willing to walk away from a party who hasn't bothered to earn their vote.
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostVery good post, and I completely agree with your conclusion. The parties rely far, far too much on votes they just assume they'll be given, and it's very damaging long term. In the UK it's led to the Labour Party almost losing a huge part of its base.
Trump insulting that late veteran's family may have been a bridge too far. What the **** has Trump sacrificed for this country? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the man has had five or six military deferments. Meaning he got out of serving. He insulted the memory of a man who volunteered and sacrificed his life to save his fellow men.
Trump is finished after this one. It wouldn't surprise me if he falls into the lower 30s now.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
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Okay, at this point it's painfully clear that Fez has merely reversed polarity, not actually become more open to reasonable discussion, so howzabout we let the grownups have a turn here?
Originally posted by kentonio View PostVery good post, and I completely agree with your conclusion. The parties rely far, far too much on votes they just assume they'll be given, and it's very damaging long term. In the UK it's led to the Labour Party almost losing a huge part of its base.
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to my right, etc.
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No arguments here. It feels like a very large number of people are motivated purely by which candidate they perceive as the lesser of the two evils. I read an interesting article earlier about a town in NC where it was clear from the interviews that they didn't actually like Trump (and several said they just wished he'd 'shut his mouth') but that the hatred they had for the Clintons over NAFTA meant they could never, ever vote for her. You had lifelong Republicans saying it was the worst pair of candidates possible.
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Hillary is probably going to win this by close to 380-390 electoral votes and may even capture a Southern state or two.
not actually become more open to reasonable discussion, so howzabout we let the grownups have a turn here?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
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Wait... Did the guy spouting fantasies actually try to tell other people to grow up?
Hillary will likely narrowly win but the election is going to come down to Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida. Trump has to win all three in order to win and Hillary just has to win one of them.Last edited by Dinner; July 31, 2016, 17:20.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Dinner View PostWait... Did the guy spouting fantasies actually try to tell other people to grow up?
Hillary will likely narrowly win but the election is going to come down to Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida. Trump has to win all three in order to win and Hillary just has to win one of them.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
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If you have me, Dinner, Ken, Ellestar, BK, C0ckney, Thoth, and who knows how many other posters somehow all united against your opinion despite our vastly disparate worldviews, it should at least give you pause for thought.
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Originally posted by Elok View PostIf you have me, Dinner, Ken, Ellestar, BK, C0ckney, Thoth, and who knows how many other posters somehow all united against your opinion despite our vastly disparate worldviews, it should at least give you pause for thought.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
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BTW, BK? Really? Ming basically made him look like a misinformed fool. You really ought to pick your examples a bit better. Try not citing tablet warrior Cockney, bible thumping BK and Putin's personal spokesperson Ellestar.
Bad... Bad... Really bad. I expected better from you. And none of those trolls you cited have given me any reason to question my own worldviews which are formed by years of thorough investigation and empirical evidence.
Reality is left wing.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
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