Pope: Catholics should ask gay people for forgiveness

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Yeah, I'll act like a bigot and keep spouting crap and get beat down for 14 pages and call it the most successful thread ever.


Yes, if the mission is to be the biggest most clueless douche on the site. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

[Dauphin]

He sees persecution as a badge of honour, and sees being smacked about as justification that he has a cross to bear. He sees this thread as successful because he likes self-flagellation, intermixed with "beating the bishop" of Rome.

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I'll bet in his tiny little brain he actually thinks he's outwitting all of us and making us look stupid.

[Dauphin]

Well, he is insofar as he's getting people to respond to him.

[Dauphin]

"Don't argue with an idiot" and all that....

[Bereta_Eder]

Unfortunately he has no empathy. A trait he shares with dinner, pchang etc

He has a dogma in his mind, which is wrong.

He will go to each and every length to justify it. And it keeps getting wasted like sand from his fingers

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Anyone can act like a nazi and get pummeled on line. It doesn't exactly require much effort.
Just the ability to not care if they look like a douche.

I never could really understand that type of thinking.

But whatever. If that's how he wants to be viewed, that's his right.

And if we want to delight in calling him out on it, that's our right.

[Giancarlo]

Anyone can act like a nazi and get pummeled on line. It doesn't exactly require much effort.
Just the ability to not care if they look like a douche.

I never could really understand that type of thinking.

But whatever. If that's how he wants to be viewed, that's his right.

And if we want to delight in calling him out on it, that's our right.

I can't understand it either and I used to act like that myself. In reality, I was self repressed and torturing my ownself. I did change, but I don't think Ben will ever change. He has been stuck in his ways for decades.

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Maybe someday if he ever gets more of a family/life.

[Giancarlo]

Maybe someday if he ever gets more of a family/life.

Yes, we can always believe in miracles lol.

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[Ben Kenobi]

Only 50 per year? Oh wow. That is some progress.

The Catholic church is a pretty large organization. There were over 800 a year in the 80s. They are down to about 20 now, down from 50.

Percentage-wise something around 2 percent of adult men are abusers - that's a lot of people and a lot of incidents.

The Church has not cleaned up its act as abuse still happens and perhaps is even underreported.

Uh, yeah - they've cleaned up their act. If, as you're saying, "one is too many", do you take that same stance with public schools? Would you shut down all public schools because of a few rotten apples? If not, why not? Abuse is more likely to occur in the average public school than in the average Catholic private school.

I am not Catholic and will never be Catholic ever again.

Again, if you chose to return - you would have a different road than those who never were a part of the Church.

You are an impulsive disgusting man. You really need some serious help.

How so? All I've said is that you could go back to the Catholic church. I'm not sure what's so disgusting about that.

Yet you even admit priests are still raping 50 kids a year (underreported because many rape victims do not report until years later).

Sure, it's possible - however even with the 80s cases, the majority reported within 10 years. It's been 25, and even if there were a delay in cases, there has been a substantial decline in cases.

[Ming]

Abuse is more likely to occur in the average public school than in the average Catholic private school.

Provide a cite please...

[Ben Kenobi]

If someone claims that Benedict XVI still is pope (because he doesn't accept the voluntarily resignation), shouldn't the same person then not also realize that, in this case, the whole apostolic succession is broken (since 1 millenium or more)?

One, Francis is the Pope. My disagreement is over the why not the how. Benedict, whether I like it or not has resigned and Francis is his replacement.

Two, I disagree that God would prompt Benedict to resign. I think Benedict wanted to resign, which saddens me as he was a fantastic Pope. I don't share his opinion about Francis.

Three, this is a strange argument. You need to look more carefully at the instances of the resignations previous. None lasted out the year.

So, if the divinity of the papacy of popes who rule during the lifetimes of their resigned predecessors can be doubted, what does this say about the divine inspiration of the conclave in order to se4lect the successor?

You might be surprised, but Infalliability stems from the Magisterium - not the Pope. The Pope has the authority - as the head of the Magisterium to make certain decisions - like appointing Cardinals, etc. If it were the other way around the Conclave could not appoint Popes.

Obviously there is no divine inspiration involved, if the conclave can just select a successor depite gods wishes (to have the resigned pope still at the helm).

Well, there is divine inspiration involved.

There obviously also can be no divine inspiration if god isn't even able to tell the resigning pope not to do it ... or to stop the catholic church from putting it into the rules of canon law of the catholic church, that popes are allowed to resign (if their resignation is made out of their own free will)

Why are you arguing that if God chose someone that he would change his mind? That makes no sense to me. God chose Benedict for a reason.

[Giancarlo]

The Catholic church is a pretty large organization. There were over 800 a year in the 80s. They are down to about 20 now, down from 50.

Percentage-wise something around 2 percent of adult men are abusers - that's a lot of people and a lot of incidents.



Uh, yeah - they've cleaned up their act. If, as you're saying, "one is too many", do you take that same stance with public schools? Would you shut down all public schools because of a few rotten apples? If not, why not? Abuse is more likely to occur in the average public school than in the average Catholic private school.



Again, if you chose to return - you would have a different road than those who never were a part of the Church.



How so? All I've said is that you could go back to the Catholic church. I'm not sure what's so disgusting about that.



Sure, it's possible - however even with the 80s cases, the majority reported within 10 years. It's been 25, and even if there were a delay in cases, there has been a substantial decline in cases.

He is downplaying child molestation once again. Priests are still diddling kids and you don't really have any answers. Fact: Cases of rape (especially involving a child) are disgustingly underreported because of fear of reprisals and shame.