Pope: Catholics should ask gay people for forgiveness

[Ben Kenobi]

Your point was the customers weren't showing their love for the bakers... why is that relevant to Christians who were instructed to love their enemies? Sounds like you've replaced the Golden Rule with "do unto others as they do unto you"

Do you believe that rule only applies to Christians? If so, you're affirming that Christianity is true.

No... I dont think a black, Jew or gay baker should be required to bake cakes for the KKK, Nazis, or the Pope and his cult

Thank you Berz. The same applies here, that is the common sense solution. Go find another bakery down the street.

[Giancarlo]

I'm not a libertarian.

You only believe in freedom for corporate criminals. If someone is gay, they'll get locked up in a mental hospital in your world.

I'm so glad you're world is a piece of **** and will never exist.

[Ben Kenobi]

Infrastructure must be paid for by taxation, or else you won't have infrastructure.

Sure. Why income taxation? Why not tax consumption?

[Giancarlo]

Sure. Why income taxation? Why not tax consumption?

INADEQUATE. Income taxation is what needs to happen.

And you love taxing consumption. You really want to punish the poor a bit more. Idiot.

I bet you're a fool in favor of that flat tax stupid ****.

[Ben Kenobi]

INADEQUATE. Income taxation is what needs to happen.

If all you're paying for is infrastructure, it's perfectly adequate.

And you love taxing consumption. You really want to punish the poor a bit more. Idiot.

I'd rather punish those who are spending money than punish those who are trying to earn a living.

I bet you're a fool in favor of that flat tax stupid ****.

No income taxes in Texas. We still have roads.

[Giancarlo]

If all you're paying for is infrastructure, it's perfectly adequate.

What a stupid reply. You know it's not.

I'd rather punish those who are spending money than punish those who are trying to earn a living.

You're an IDIOT. That statement makes no sense at all. Earn a living? So what happens to those who "earn a living" when they spend their money?

Dumbass. You hate people those who earn a living. By taxing consumption, you are directly targeting the middle and lower classes. You're a stupid ass.

No income taxes in Texas. We still have roads.

Yet you have some of the HIGHEST property taxes in the nation. It has to come from somewhere.

You also take a ton of federal money. A lot more than California. In fact we are at a net loss when it comes to giving money to the federal government. We give more money to the federal government, yet get less in return. The opposite is true in Texas.

[Ben Kenobi]

You know it's not.

Texas does just fine without one.

That statement makes no sense at all. Earn a living?

Can't spend a dime unless you first earn it.

You hate people those who earn a living. By taxing consumption, you are directly targeting the middle and lower classes.

Income taxation is much worse. At equivalent levels, consumption can be structured. The biggest difference is for the rich who don't earn an income.

Yet you have some of the HIGHEST property taxes in the nation. It has to come from somewhere.

Dollar for dollar, it's lower than in California. Don't matter if it's low percentage wise, if your values are sky high.

If your argument is that a state cannot survive without income taxation, I'm not sure why you're arguing what you are arguing about Texas vs California. Obviously it's possible.

[Giancarlo]

Texas does just fine without one.



Can't spend a dime unless you first earn it.



Income taxation is much worse. At equivalent levels, consumption can be structured. The biggest difference is for the rich who don't earn an income.



Dollar for dollar, it's lower than in California. Don't matter if it's low percentage wise, if your values are sky high.

If your argument is that a state cannot survive without income taxation, I'm not sure why you're arguing what you are arguing about Texas vs California. Obviously it's possible.

Here we go with this stupid **** again. For one, California has far higher incomes than Texas and better jobs.

Income taxation still happens on a federal level, and those states that don't require income taxes, take huge sums of federal money. You moron... it comes from somewhere. You're just too shortsighted and stupid to see that.

Texas is a toxic waste dump and they take far more federal money than California does. So you may not be required to pay income tax, but your broke ass state still cries to the feds for money.

[Ming]

Well, then. Seems as if the issue was catering for a homosexual wedding contrary to their business reputation. Can't see why a Christian bakery might not want to have their name associated with that.

It's discrimination... that's what the law says... They broke the law.

As opposed to the vicious act of shutting down their business, and having them receive death threats?

All caused by the actions of the law breakers... And you seem to be forgetting that it was the Bakers who posted the personal information of the real victims on line to incite harassement against the victims. You know, the act that cost them the big bucks.

Really. So had the customer not gone to the store, they'd still be in business.

If they hadn't broke the law, they would still have their shop... they still have their business, just online.

They lost their business which is a pretty ****ty thing to do to someone over a cake. I hope they make 10x whatever they were making in Oregon.

You keep trying to blame the cake... WRONG. It was their discrimination and then their vicious and malicious act of violating the privacy of their victims online.
They broke the law multiple times, and due to their vicious acts, they lost their store. They were responsible for their actions, and paid the price for breaking the law.

It's really clear who the actual victims are here. Unfortunately, a bigot like you want's to support the law breakers and blame the victims.

[Ben Kenobi]

Texas is a toxic waste dump and they take far more federal money than California does. So you may not be required to pay income tax, but your broke ass state still cries to the feds for money.

Are these the same folks that keep pumping money into Planned Parenthood? That's not Texas begging for money that's the Feds forcing money on Texas. We don't want it, tyvm. Go give it to a state that needs it, like California.

[Giancarlo]

Are these the same folks that keep pumping money into Planned Parenthood? That's not Texas begging for money that's the Feds forcing money on Texas. We don't want it, tyvm. Go give it to a state that needs it, like California.

Nobody is forcing anything on anyone. Your state has slid into a recession, lost a lot of revenues and takes a lot of federal money.

California doesn't need it idiot. We are flushed with cash and are the sixth largest economy in the world. Stop trying to insult California you failure.

And here we go with Planned Parenthood. You are a liar on everything.

[Berzerker]

Do you believe that rule only applies to Christians? If so, you're affirming that Christianity is true.

I dont know who it applies to, but Christians signed on... Why would that affirm Christianity as true?

Thank you Berz. The same applies here

You're welcome... But blacks, Jews and gays have good reason to despise the KKK, Nazis and Catholicism. What good reason do Catholics have to discriminate against gays?

[Ben Kenobi]

I dont know who it applies to

Then why are you bringing it up? Not much of a Golden rule.

What good reason do Catholics have to discriminate against gays?

Right now? Look at what they did in Massachusetts.

[Ben Kenobi]

Nobody is forcing anything on anyone.

Uh, Governor Abbott doesn't want the money. The Feds are forcing funding to PP in TX.

Your state has slid into a recession, lost a lot of revenues and takes a lot of federal money.

If by 'recession' you mean "only growing at 5 percent y/y, then yes, Texas is in recession.

California doesn't need it idiot. We are flushed with cash and are the sixth largest economy in the world. Stop trying to insult California you failure.

Which is why you have an enormous debt load? "Flushed" with cash is appropriate. Term is Flush, Gian.

[Berzerker]

Then why are you bringing it up? Not much of a Golden rule.

its supposed to be your rule

Right now? Look at what they did in Massachusetts.

Catholics have good reason to discriminate against gays because something just happened in Massachusetts?