Pope: Catholics should ask gay people for forgiveness

[Giancarlo]

And you talking about intellectual honesty... that is such rich hypocrisy. Next time you talk down to me you condescending ass, you better have some understanding of where I stand.

I am only supporting Hillary because the alternative is unthinkable.

I said enough. If I am going to get in trouble for saying what I have said to you, so be it. I take full responsibility. But I will not be talked to like that by a stupid liar.

[Giancarlo]

Still doesn't change that you still made a promise to God and have broken your promise.

I didn't make any promise to this fictional god you are talking about. You are about as bad as Kentonio.

Right - you're free to leave, never attend mass, never darken our doorsteps again. That is torture? It still does not change the fact that you are Catholic and will always be Catholic thanks to your baptism and confirmation.

Listen to me you little sadomasochistic freak, I am agnostic and I get to say what I am without you telling me otherwise. I am definitely not a Catholic and never will be one.

That being said - you did indeed have a choice. That you chose to make a promise to God to defend the teachings of the Church - all of the teachings of the Church speaks volumes. It means your circumstances are much different than from those who are not Catholic at all.

You little lying fool. You do not know my situation and you are in no position to say whether I had a choice or not. You ignorant little man! You don't know a ****ing thing about my circumstances.

Then your issues have nothing to do with the child abuse cases. Why bring them up?

I am one who favors the law so they are one of the plethora of issues I have with an organization of corruption. The church was complicit with the abuse.

So rather than accept personal responsibility for the choices and decisions that you make you are blaming the Catholic church? Interesting morality there, Giancarlo.

You are a horrid little man. You don't know anything about me. I never chose to be gay. You putrid disgusting man. You have no morality. You are just a hateful little bigot.

[Bereta_Eder]

He is but don't worry.
He does this to anyone whose views don't match his

[Giancarlo]

http://useconomy.about.com/od/Politics/p/President-Ronald-Reagan-Economic-Policies.htm

Reagan was applauded for continuing to eliminate the Nixon-era price controls. These were blamed for constraining the free-market equilibrium that would have prevented inflation. Reagan further removed controls on oil and gas, cable television and long-distance phone service, as well as interstate bus service and ocean shipping.

Bank regulations were eased. In 1982, the Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions Act was passed, which removed restrictions on loan-to-value ratios for Savings and Loan banks. Reagan's budget cut also reduced regulatory staff at the Federal Home Loan Bank Board. As a result, banks invested in risky real estate ventures (sound familiar?). Reagan's deregulation and budget cutting contributed to the Savings and Loan Crisis of 1989.

Import barriers were actually increased, as Reagan doubled the number of items that were subject to trade restraint from 12% in 1980 to 23% in 1988. Little was done in other regulations affecting health, safety, and the environment. In fact, although Reagan reduced regulations, it was at a slower pace than under Carter. (Source: William A. Niskanen, Reaganomics, The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics)

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Next time read up on history. The majority of deregulation happened under the Reagan administration, especially in regards to banks. The "Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions Act" basically gutted Glass-Steagall. Oh and I will tell you right now... both democrats and republicans were responsible for the damn thing.

[kentonio]

You are a childish liar and a historical revisionist.

You ridiculous little clown. Every previous discussion we've had has involved me posting numerous fact checked references to events and you sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'I don't believe you, so you're wrong!'. I don't even bother now, because no matter how many links I post, you don't actually bother to engage with them, you just think you know better despite being almost always wrong. Oh and of course your constant habit of being an obnoxious and insulting ass, and then crying like a little bitch when someone speaks back to you the same way.

You don't have a clue what happened in this country. Laws are passed by the Congress, not the President. Republicans had a vast majority in Congress when this happened. This isn't cheerleading and you will not talk down to me. I know you hate facts but I don't really care. You blame the Clinton's for everything but your argument isn't built on any grain of truth. So the childish one here is you.

I'll talk down to you every damn time you deserve talking down to, which at the moment is frequently. I know very well how the passage of laws comes about, and your 'blame it on congress (if congress happened to be Republican at the time)' line is ridiculous. Go read up on the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act which was a bi-partisan bill that was voted for by 155 Democrats in Congress and then passed the Senate 90-8. It was then signed into law by Bill Clinton, so maybe actually educate yourself before you look any more idiotic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%...0%93Bliley_Act

Of course if you were a semi-decent internet debater you'd probably then reference the FactCheck.org article from 2008 claiming that the act wasn't responsible for the financial collapse, and then I'd smack you back with Clinton's own desperate attempt to push the blame for it on the GOP despite him wholeheartedly supporting it at the time. Of course this won't happen because you're lazy.

And cheerleading... can you stop it with that bull****? Hillary wasn't even my first choice. I don't care for your childish immaturity.

I'll stop accusing you of cheerleading when you stop being a shill for the Democratic party. They aren't perfect, they have done a lot of bad things. Being better than the Republicans isn't a free pass on bad behaviour.

You won't ****ing talk to me like I am some *****. I will smack back a hundred times harder. You are a childish little liar. I will not accept a god damn thing you say because your little ****ing words are not ingrained in truth. The responsibility rests solely in them... Again little one, the President isn't a dictator and deregulation came from the Congress. who controlled the Congress at the time? You have your answer!

You should really take a deep breath and chill out before you give yourself an anxiety attack. After you've unwound your panties and returned to some semblance of sanity, you should then watch this video of Bill Clinton back in '99 celebrating the passage of the act you think was all the Republicans fault.

A few choice quotes..

This is a day we can celebrate as an American day

the Glass-Steagall law is no longer appropriate for the economy in which we live

today what we are doing is modernizing the financial services industry, tearing down these antiquated laws and granting banks significant new authority

This is a very good day for the United States

But no, obviously it was all the Republican's fault..

And a great deal of the deregulation actually happened under the Reagans but you won't even admit that. Liar liar pants on fire!

Have you devolved into a 4 year old child?

I have no problem attacking Reagan for not only that but a whole swathe of other things that did horrendous damage to America, not least his mass release of the mentally ill that almost certainly contributed hugely to the stigmatization of those suffering mental conditions not to mention leaving countless ill people dereft of help and hope. Last I checked though there wasn't a Reagan running for the Presidency this year.

[Giancarlo]

You ridiculous little clown. Every previous discussion we've had has involved me posting numerous fact checked references to events and you sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'I don't believe you, so you're wrong!'. I don't even bother now, because no matter how many links I post, you don't actually bother to engage with them, you just think you know better despite being almost always wrong. Oh and of course your constant habit of being an obnoxious and insulting ass, and then crying like a little bitch when someone speaks back to you the same way.

You ridiculous stupid little fool. I've had about enough of you. You haven't brought up anything. You are a stupid liar and you are basically blaming the Clintons for something that happened over a decade before with the Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions Act. I have posted multiple links and all you are is a republican brownnoser. You are uneducated and you pretty much know nothing. You need to be smacked down so hard in this. YOU WILL NOT SPEAK ME TO LIKE THAT YOU LITTLE UNGRATEFUL LITTLE ****.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/opinion/01krugman.html?_r=0

The immediate effect of Garn-St. Germain, as I said, was to turn the thrifts from a problem into a catastrophe. The S.& L. crisis has been written out of the Reagan hagiography, but the fact is that deregulation in effect gave the industry — whose deposits were federally insured — a license to gamble with taxpayers’ money, at best, or simply to loot it, at worst. By the time the government closed the books on the affair, taxpayers had lost $130 billion, back when that was a lot of money.

But there was also a longer-term effect. Reagan-era legislative changes essentially ended New Deal restrictions on mortgage lending — restrictions that, in particular, limited the ability of families to buy homes without putting a significant amount of money down.

These restrictions were put in place in the 1930s by political leaders who had just experienced a terrible financial crisis, and were trying to prevent another. But by 1980 the memory of the Depression had faded. Government, declared Reagan, is the problem, not the solution; the magic of the marketplace must be set free. And so the precautionary rules were scrapped.

http://www.alternativeinsight.com/How_Reagan_Sank_America.html

No. Not the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. It was something that was passed far before Clinton was even in office. You are grossly uneducated in this subject. You are ridiculous and you don't know what was talking about. YOU JUST GOT SCHOOLED ONCE AGAIN LIKE I DID BEFORE. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A ****ING EDUCATION IN THIS SUBJECT.

[Giancarlo]

You little petulant ass.

I have no problem attacking Reagan for not only that but a whole swathe of other things that did horrendous damage to America, not least his mass release of the mentally ill that almost certainly contributed hugely to the stigmatization of those suffering mental conditions not to mention leaving countless ill people dereft of help and hope. Last I checked though there wasn't a Reagan running for the Presidency this year.

You don't even realize it was Reagan who deregulated the banks at a far greater rate than anything under the Clinton administration. You are so stupid you don't even know what happened in the last 1980s with the Savings and Loan crisis. Yet you're going to sit here and blame the Clintons for everything.

YOU JUST GOT SCHOOLED AGAIN!

[Giancarlo]

Of course if you were a semi-decent internet debater you'd probably then reference the FactCheck.org article claiming that the act wasn't responsible for the financial collapse, and then I'd smack you back with Clinton's own desperate attempt to push the blame for it on the GOP despite him wholeheartedly supporting it at the time. Of course this won't happen because you're lazy.

You're too lazy to even look at what happened in the 1980s. You are an ugly nasty "debater" and you didn't even bother backing yourself up again. Seriously wikipedia? Are you ****ing kidding me? You are one incredibly LAZY loser of a debater. You are one of the worst on here right up with BEN.

https://www.fdic.gov/regulations/laws/rules/8000-4100.html

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/garn-st-germain-depository-institutions-act.asp

"A law enacted by Congress in 1982 to enable banks and other savings institutions to compete more readily in the money market. It got rid of the interest rate ceiling that they once had to abide by, authorized them to make commercial loans and gave the federal agencies the ability to approve bank acquisitions."

I'll stop accusing you of cheerleading when you stop being a shill for the Democratic party. They aren't perfect, they have done a lot of bad things. Being better than the Republicans isn't a free pass on bad behaviour.

POint out where I'm being a shill. I even said Garn-St. Germain was bi-partisan. It was named after a democrat and republican.

Frank-Dodd was an attempt to rectify the abuses of the past, and that bill was mainly pushed by the democrats. Obviously the democrats realized something was wrong with the system and attempted to pass a law to fix it. Frank-Dodd was NOT bi-partisan. Republicans actively opposed it.

[Giancarlo]

YOU JUST GOT SCHOOLED!

[-Jrabbit]

Still doesn't change that you still made a promise to God and have broken your promise.

If Giancarlo's Catholic upbringing is typical, he was baptized shortly after birth and confirmed prior to high school. Which means that those "promises to God" are made by the parents, not the child.

It's not like kids are given an option to defer when "confirmed" in the 6th grade.

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW I love st paul's quote. I think it's one of the greatest hymns to love ever written.
I'm fortunate to read it in its original language and the most poignant impression (actually each and every word is poignant) is i agape oudepote ekpiptei.

In english I see it translated as love never fails but it's not exactly that.

O ekptotos also means the devil. He is the fallen one.

The same verb is used to describe what love never does and what the devil is (according to christian religion)

Ekptipto could mean like you cheapen yourself, you degrade yourself you diminish yourself.

It's like you' stand on a ledge and then you fall off it.

So love never "Falls/fails/dimishes" which is exactly what the "wicked spirit" so to speak has done.

Love has also many other attributes none of which are found in ben's speech IMO

[kentonio]

You ridiculous stupid little fool. I've had about enough of you. You haven't brought up anything. You are a stupid liar and you are basically blaming the Clintons for something that happened over a decade before with the Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions Act. I have posted multiple links and all you are is a republican brownnoser. You are uneducated and you pretty much know nothing. You need to be smacked down so hard in this. YOU WILL NOT SPEAK ME TO LIKE THAT YOU LITTLE UNGRATEFUL LITTLE ****.

Couple of quick points here:

a) Someone posting something you disagree with does not make them a liar.
b) If all you can do is squeal 'LIAR!' at someone then your own position is generally pretty weak.
c) Calling people Republicans who actually support the aims of the Democratic party is pretty pathetic, and the kind of thing that a cheerleader would do.
d) I'll speak to you any damn way I please and there isn't a thing you can do about it. It's called the internet, you should learn more about how it works.
e) What exactly would I have to be grateful about? Is being screamed at by a former bigot something that should induce gratitude?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/op...gman.html?_r=0

The immediate effect of Garn-St. Germain, as I said, was to turn the thrifts from a problem into a catastrophe. The S.& L. crisis has been written out of the Reagan hagiography, but the fact is that deregulation in effect gave the industry — whose deposits were federally insured — a license to gamble with taxpayers’ money, at best, or simply to loot it, at worst. By the time the government closed the books on the affair, taxpayers had lost $130 billion, back when that was a lot of money.

But there was also a longer-term effect. Reagan-era legislative changes essentially ended New Deal restrictions on mortgage lending — restrictions that, in particular, limited the ability of families to buy homes without putting a significant amount of money down.

These restrictions were put in place in the 1930s by political leaders who had just experienced a terrible financial crisis, and were trying to prevent another. But by 1980 the memory of the Depression had faded. Government, declared Reagan, is the problem, not the solution; the magic of the marketplace must be set free. And so the precautionary rules were scrapped.

http://www.alternativeinsight.com/Ho...k_America.html

You should always put other peoples words in quote marks, otherwise there's a risk that you'll be accused of plagarism.

No. Not the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. It was something that was passed far before Clinton was even in office. You are grossly uneducated in this subject. You are ridiculous and you don't know what was talking about.

In the real world there are very rarely single causes of complex world changing events. Pointing to previous measures which played a big part in the subsequent problems does not mean to get to just ignore the later actions. If you try and argue that Bill Clinton was not responsible for bank deregulation then you're basically calling Bill Clinton a liar, because as the quote I posted showed, he said himself..

today what we are doing is modernizing the financial services industry, tearing down these antiquated laws and granting banks significant new authority

If you have a problem with that, take it up with Bill.

YOU JUST GOT SCHOOLED ONCE AGAIN LIKE I DID BEFORE.

You got schooled before?

[kentonio]

POint out where I'm being a shill. I even said Garn-St. Germain was bi-partisan.

Was that something you said, or something that Paul Krugman said and you didn't attribute correctly? It can be hard to tell.

[Giancarlo]

Couple of quick points here:

a) Someone posting something you disagree with does not make them a liar.
b) If all you can do is squeal 'LIAR!' at someone then your own position is generally pretty weak.
c) Calling people Republicans who actually support the aims of the Democratic party is pretty pathetic, and the kind of thing that a cheerleader would do.
d) I'll speak to you any damn way I please and there isn't a thing you can do about it. It's called the internet, you should learn more about how it works.
e) What exactly would I have to be grateful about? Is being screamed at by a former bigot something that should induce gratitude?

You don't know anything and you don't even know how to debate. Maybe you should actually ask me where I stand. I blame both democrats and republicans for the recession of 2007-08. I know that it traces back to the Reagan administration. I also know that it had something to do with the "Garn-St. Germain" which gutted the lionshare of regulation. You can continue to talk anyway you want, but you're still a stupid ****ing *******.

I'm not a republican or democrat. I just saw the Frank-Dodd Act and knew democrats have at least tried something to pass some form of protection for consumers.

You are the new bigot on here and you are nasty in every sense. I don't even know why I'm trying to debate someone as incapable of intellectual thought as you.

You should always put other peoples words in quote marks, otherwise there's a risk that you'll be accused of plagarism.

Fixed.

In the real world there are very rarely single causes of complex world changing events. Pointing to previous measures which played a big part in the subsequent problems does not mean to get to just ignore the later actions. If you try and argue that Bill Clinton was not responsible for bank deregulation then you're basically calling Bill Clinton a liar, because as the quote I posted showed, he said himself..

The previous measure was significantly more far reaching than anything passed under the Clinton administration and was responsible for the S&L Crisis of the late 1980s (which basically was a foreshadowing of 2008). Bill Clinton was not solely responsible for it.

You got schooled before?

Idiot. You can't even read. You are the one that got schooled.

It's ironic you won't even respond to what I have posted. You have now mitigated yourself into irrelevance. Now go **** yourself.

[Giancarlo]

Was that something you said, or something that Paul Krugman said and you didn't attribute correctly? It can be hard to tell.

You are so uneducated in this subject. Do you suffer from mental issues? I'm being serious.

Please don't vote. People like you shouldn't. We all know you're voting for that idiot Donald Trump. You don't like that claim? Well that's too bad because I can say whatever I want about you. You probably suck republican dick whenever you can. And you speak more like a damn republican. And yes, I will talk to you in a way I please. You're a stupid little man who hasn't read anything I have posted.

YOU ****ING LITTLE BIGOT. You are JUST LIKE BEN. EXACTLY LIKE HIM!