EU Referendum - La Deuxième Partie

[Elok]

It's hard to say that racism is uniquely conservative, though racists almost certainly trend more con than lib.

[ZEE]

Richard Nixon is the greatest president this country has evar known.

[regexcellent]

If racism isn't conservative, how do you explain Donald Trump?

This is an even easier case. He's also not conservative, and his support within the Republican party comes from its least conservative elements; this is consistently borne out in polls. He's against free trade for christ's sake. Have you even been paying attention? He's in favor of universal healthcare and gun control, and he's against defunding planned parenthood or cutting medicare and social security.

Remember that he only won a plurality of the primary votes, and a huge fraction of those came from people who had never voted in a primary before and were either registered as democrats or were until very recently. His support is among poor white men without college degrees. His support is weak among Mormons and people who go to church weekly.

[Lorizael]

In order to claim that racism is conservative, you either have to have a stupid definition of conservative, or a stupid definition of racism. Probably in your case it's both.

Very broadly, conservatism is about preserving our traditions, and our traditions include a lot of (sometimes just implicit) racism.

[giblets]

He's totally conservative

[giblets]

So is kentonio

[giblets]

Very broadly, conservatism is about preserving our traditions, and our traditions include a lot of (sometimes just implicit) racism.

Nope, conservatism means whatever regexcellent agrees with.

[regexcellent]

He's totally conservative

Then you are using a different meaning of the word conservative from the conventional one in American politics, and we are just talking past each other. This is giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're not being willfully obtuse, which you have a history of doing.

[regexcellent]

Donald Trump, on the issues, is the least conservative candidate to run this year for the Republican nomination. He was in favor of abortion, until recently when he claimed not to be (though I don't believe him), he's in favor of gay marriage, he's in favor of gun control, he's in favor of entitlements.

So if you think "conservative" means saying mean things about mexicans and muslims and harsh immigration policy, then, I guess? But on everything else, he's either down the middle or down the left!

[giblets]

Then you are using a different meaning of the word conservative from the conventional one in American politics, and we are just talking past each other. This is giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're not being willfully obtuse, which you have a history of doing.

He's the Republican nominee for president, so he represents the right wing political coalition, so he's conservative

[regexcellent]

Nixon was the nominee for president and he wasn't conservative either. He implemented price and wage controls and created the EPA. Being the Republican nominee doesn't make you conservative. You're being an obtuse moron.

[giblets]

Being a racist ****bag is pretty conservative

[regexcellent]

George Wallace was the Democratic nominee for Governor of Alabama, so he represented the liberal coalition, so he was a liberal

[giblets]

nope, at the time the democrats covered the entire political spectrum in the south. the democratic primary mattered more than the general election

[regexcellent]

And apparently there are people voting in Republican primaries that aren't conservative, and there were enough of them this year to put Donald Trump over the top thanks to shortsighted delegate allocation rules.

Political parties aren't ideologically homogeneous, as you have just made note of.