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  • #76
    Tell that to NPR.

    Americans keep putting on the pounds — at least according to a report released this week from the Trust for America's Health. The study found that nearly two-thirds of states now have adult obesity rates above 25 percent.

    But you may want to take those findings — and your next meal — with a grain of salt, because they're based on a calculation called the body mass index, or BMI.

    As the Weekend Edition math guy, I spoke to Scott Simon and told him the body mass index fails on 10 grounds:

    1. The person who dreamed up the BMI said explicitly that it could not and should not be used to indicate the level of fatness in an individual.

    The BMI was introduced in the early 19th century by a Belgian named Lambert Adolphe Jacques Quetelet. He was a mathematician, not a physician. He produced the formula to give a quick and easy way to measure the degree of obesity of the general population to assist the government in allocating resources. In other words, it is a 200-year-old hack.

    2. It is scientifically nonsensical.

    There is no physiological reason to square a person's height (Quetelet had to square the height to get a formula that matched the overall data. If you can't fix the data, rig the formula!). Moreover, it ignores waist size, which is a clear indicator of obesity level.

    3. It is physiologically wrong.

    It makes no allowance for the relative proportions of bone, muscle and fat in the body. But bone is denser than muscle and twice as dense as fat, so a person with strong bones, good muscle tone and low fat will have a high BMI. Thus, athletes and fit, health-conscious movie stars who work out a lot tend to find themselves classified as overweight or even obese.

    4. It gets the logic wrong.

    The CDC says on its Web site that "the BMI is a reliable indicator of body fatness for people." This is a fundamental error of logic. For example, if I tell you my birthday present is a bicycle, you can conclude that my present has wheels. That's correct logic. But it does not work the other way round. If I tell you my birthday present has wheels, you cannot conclude I got a bicycle. I could have received a car. Because of how Quetelet came up with it, if a person is fat or obese, he or she will have a high BMI. But as with my birthday present, it doesn't work the other way round. A high BMI does not mean an individual is even overweight, let alone obese. It could mean the person is fit and healthy, with very little fat.

    5. It's bad statistics.

    Because the majority of people today (and in Quetelet's time) lead fairly sedentary lives and are not particularly active, the formula tacitly assumes low muscle mass and high relative fat content. It applies moderately well when applied to such people because it was formulated by focusing on them. But it gives exactly the wrong answer for a large and significant section of the population, namely the lean, fit and healthy. Quetelet is also the person who came up with the idea of "the average man." That's a useful concept, but if you try to apply it to any one person, you come up with the absurdity of a person with 2.4 children. Averages measure entire populations and often don't apply to individuals.

    6. It is lying by scientific authority.

    Because the BMI is a single number between 1 and 100 (like a percentage) that comes from a mathematical formula, it carries an air of scientific authority. But it is mathematical snake oil.

    7. It suggests there are distinct categories of underweight, ideal, overweight and obese, with sharp boundaries that hinge on a decimal place.

    That's total nonsense.

    8. It makes the more cynical members of society suspect that the medical insurance industry lobbies for the continued use of the BMI to keep their profits high.

    Insurance companies sometimes charge higher premiums for people with a high BMI. Among such people are all those fit individuals with good bone and muscle and little fat, who will live long, healthy lives during which they will have to pay those greater premiums.

    9. Continued reliance on the BMI means doctors don't feel the need to use one of the more scientifically sound methods that are available to measure obesity levels.

    Those alternatives cost a little bit more, but they give far more reliable results.

    10. It embarrasses the U.S.

    It is embarrassing for one of the most scientifically, technologically and medicinally advanced nations in the world to base advice on how to prevent one of the leading causes of poor health and premature death (obesity) on a 200-year-old numerical hack developed by a mathematician who was not even an expert in what little was known about the human body back then.
    No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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    • #77
      There's a fairly strong correlation between someone's BMI and their body fat percentage. Of course there are outliers, but every method of estimating how much body fat somebody has that doesn't cost hundreds of dollars is going to be just as inaccurate.

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      • #78
        Body mass index as a measure of body fatness: age- and sex-specific prediction formulas.

        Abstract

        In 1229 subjects, 521 males and 708 females, with a wide range in body mass index (BMI; 13.9-40.9 kg/m2), and an age range of 7-83 years, body composition was determined by densitometry and anthropometry. The relationship between densitometrically-determined body fat percentage (BF%) and BMI, taking age and sex (males = 1, females = 0) into account, was analysed. For children aged 15 years and younger, the relationship differed from that in adults, due to the height-related increase in BMI in children. In children the BF% could be predicted by the formula BF% = 1.51 x BMI-0.70 x age - 3.6 x sex + 1.4 (R2 0.38, SE of estimate (SEE) 4.4% BF%). In adults the prediction formula was: BF% = 1.20 x BMI + 0.23 x age - 10.8 x sex - 5.4 (R2 0.79, SEE = 4.1% BF%). Internal and external cross-validation of the prediction formulas showed that they gave valid estimates of body fat in males and females at all ages. In obese subjects however, the prediction formulas slightly overestimated the BF%. The prediction error is comparable to the prediction error obtained with other methods of estimating BF%, such as skinfold thickness measurements or bioelectrical impedance.
        In 1229 subjects, 521 males and 708 females, with a wide range in body mass index (BMI; 13.9-40.9 kg/m2), and an age range of 7-83 years, body composition was determined by densitometry and anthropometry. The relationship between densitometrically-determined body fat percentage (BF%) and BMI, taking …

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        • #79
          At least we are good at something.
          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by giblets View Post
            It's a measure of whether someone is at a normal weight or not
            yes

            it is a ratio

            NOT a measurement of weight

            a BMI of 18.9 is not a "healthy weight"

            it's not any "weight"

            Originally posted by facts
            The BMI is defined as the body mass divided by the square of the body height, and is universally expressed in units of kg/m2
            if it were a measurement of weight, the units would be in kg
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • #81
              bmi is also a terrible tool

              re TMM's post... not even the creator thinks it's useful
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #82
                worth quoting again, just because

                It is embarrassing for one of the most scientifically, technologically and medicinally advanced nations in the world to base advice on how to prevent one of the leading causes of poor health and premature death (obesity) on a 200-year-old numerical hack developed by a mathematician who was not even an expert in what little was known about the human body back then.
                yup

                only a retarded midget would think BMI is in any way reliable
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Sava View Post
                  yes

                  it is a ratio

                  NOT a measurement of weight

                  a BMI of 18.9 is not a "healthy weight"

                  it's not any "weight"



                  if it were a measurement of weight, the units would be in kg
                  If you're being pedantic, kg measures mass.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Sava View Post
                    if it were a measurement of weight, the units would be in kg
                    kg is a unit of mass, not weight, you ignorant, fetus-eating ****bucket.
                    Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
                    "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Sava View Post
                      worth quoting again, just because



                      yup

                      only a retarded midget would think BMI is in any way reliable
                      I didn't realize the CDC and WHO were run by retarded dwarves.

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                      • #86
                        DAMN YOU, GRIBBLER.
                        Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
                        "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by giblets View Post
                          If you're being pedantic, kg measures mass.
                          i purposely said weight because i didn't want you to be completely pwned
                          To us, it is the BEAST.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by giblets View Post
                            I didn't realize the CDC and WHO were run by retarded dwarves.
                            you don't pay much attention to politics, do you?
                            To us, it is the BEAST.

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                            • #89
                              If you think there's any doubt about why three out of four American adults have a BMI over 25, you're insane. The US isn't swarming with super-strong weightlifters.

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                              • #90
                                because so many americans are overweight, you could literally take any common factor unrelated to weight or health and correlate it to being fat

                                i could create a BSI, bull**** index, and just assign everyone a high value and i'd be 75% right


                                DIP****
                                To us, it is the BEAST.

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