US is getting fatter again

[giblets]

No, both cases you are doing the same thing. Blaming people for not doing better than they were able to do.

If an adult gets fat it's almost always a choice. Like smoking.

[Lorizael]

Is it the government's fault? Or corporations?

If obesity rates in the US are going up again, I can only imagine it's because a lot of people collectively decided to get fatter.

[Aeson]

that's why it's a bad analogy.

No, it's a good analogy because neither poor nor fat people are breaking causality.

[Aeson]

If an adult gets fat it's almost always a choice. Like smoking.

And why are choices made?

[giblets]

And why are choices made?

Preferences
Some people prefer eating lots of Doritos, Oreos, McDonalds, drinking lots of Mountain Dew, etc. over being able to walk up a flight of stairs without being out of breath

Poor people don't prefer being poor, they just don't have a choice, unless they're an underachieving pothead like Sava

[Aeson]

Preferences
Some people prefer eating lots of Doritos, Oreos, McDonalds, drinking lots of Mountain Dew, etc. over being able to walk up a flight of stairs without being out of breath

Poor people don't prefer being poor, they just don't have a choice, unless they're an underachieving pothead like Sava

And why do people have the preferences they do?

[C0ckney]

No, it's a good analogy because neither poor nor fat people are breaking causality.

what?

[Aeson]

what?

cau·sal·i·ty
kôˈzalədē/
noun
1.
the relationship between cause and effect.
2.
the principle that everything has a cause.

[Lorizael]

Some people prefer eating lots of Doritos, Oreos, McDonalds, drinking lots of Mountain Dew, etc. over being able to walk up a flight of stairs without being out of breath

And again, since obesity rates are going up, we can only conclude that this is because a bunch of people simply decided to, without provocation, prefer doritos/oreos/mcdonalds/mountain dew slurries.

[C0ckney]

cau·sal·i·ty
kôˈzalədē/
noun
1.
the relationship between cause and effect.
2.
the principle that everything has a cause.

very good. now why don't explain what you mean by that in the context of your argument. and you might try to answer the point i made instead of trying to side-step it.

[giblets]

And why do people have the preferences they do?

Culture, genetics, random environmental influences
American culture has become much less pro-smoking but has become more pro-obesity
Also, American culture seems to have decided that being fat isn't a choice and you're a horrible person if you acknowledge that someone is a fatass

[Aeson]

Culture, genetics
American culture has become much less pro-smoking but has become more pro-obesity

Then we are agreed that it is a causal process?

[Aeson]

very good. now why don't explain what you mean by that in the context of your argument. and you might try to answer the point i made instead of trying to side-step it.

A causal process leads to a person being poor.
A causal process leads to a person being obese.

The analogy is a good one.

And the point of the analogy is of course, rather than blame the poor person or the obese person, the factors that result in those outcomes should be addressed. (Especially important since guilt/shame is often a contributing factor to obesity.)

[giblets]

Then we are agreed that it is a causal process?

I agree environment plays a role, but it's still a choice. Obese people can take responsibility for reducing their weight, poor people often can't do the same with their income.

[giblets]

(Especially important since guilt/shame is often a contributing factor to obesity.)

Bull****.