'70 bodies' found in abandoned lorry in Austria

[Egbert]

I seem to be out of thanks.

Also, interesting development. Russia the only country prepared to put 'boots on the ground' against ISIS?

Do you have a link?

Linky here http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c417e912-5...#axzz3l31osNnj

It seems to be "advisers" and weapons so far. Maybe some Russian troops actually fighting.

[NICE MOBIUS]

They aren't likely to do much other than prop up Russia's little pet dictator Asad.

Sadly, he is the only person standing between ISIS and a nationwide Syrian bloodbath - something that the West still doesn't get...

The fact that the refugee crisis has dramatically worsed recently; Palmyra has been destroyed and ISIS have got stronger yet - is that Assad's regime has been gradually weakening - when the end comes, as it surely will without outside aid, it will be one of those all too common rapid and messy implosions.

It's all very well wanting Assad gone, but the West hasn't thought past what's going to happen the moment that becomes a reality - as usual.

The answer is ISIS.

[Bereta_Eder]

Do you have a link?

http://www.tovima.gr/politics/article/?aid=735143

[NICE MOBIUS]

It's all Greek to me...

[OneFootInTheGrave]

That's the thing, if Assad was American dictator, like house of Saud, America would be willing to bomb the **** out of ISIS.

As it is, he mistakenly aligned himself with Russia and if Russians continue to sit on their asses, he is even more likely to lose the war then he already is. Russians better help, unless they want to lose this one as well.

ISIS is after all a lot close to Russian border than it is to US border, for Americans it is just another geopolitical card game, making Saudi's happy, Iran and Russia unhappy... Russians likely care a bit more about it given proximity to home, the real question is whether they will be able to do anything about it, really bring some advantage to Assad.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Sadly, he is the only person standing between ISIS and a nationwide Syrian bloodbath - something that the West still doesn't get...

West gets it very well, and it's almost fully there, just check Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Oerdin.

[Bereta_Eder]

That's the thing, if Assad was American dictator, like house of Saud, America would be willing to bomb the **** out of ISIS.

As it is, he mistakenly aligned himself with Russia and if Russians continue to sit on their asses, he is even more likely to lose the war then he already is. Russians better help, unless they want to lose this one as well.

ISIS is after all a lot close to Russian border than it is to US border, for Americans it is just another geopolitical card game, making Saudi's happy, Iran and Russia unhappy... Russians likely care a bit more about it given proximity to home, the real question is whether they will be able to do anything about it, really bring some advantage to Assad.

Exactly.
And if some dumbmelonheads in europe are too dumb to realize that the US bloodbath in Iraq created the ISIS, (a minority I'm sure) then at least now with the huge influx of syrians will realize that something needs to be done and if it's russia that's gonna do it so much the better.


These things don't happen out of thin air. You need a minimum international consensus to pull them through

[NICE MOBIUS]

West gets it very well, and it's almost fully there, just check Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Oerdin.

As NICE MOBIUS, I can't accept that the West and Oerdin want people in the Middle East deliberately subjugated and systematically destroyed. Surely they're simply misunderstood...?

[NICE MOBIUS]

Exactly.
And if some dumbmelonheads in europe are too dumb to realize that the US bloodbath in Iraq created the ISIS, (a minority I'm sure) then at least now with the huge influx of syrians will realize that something needs to be done and if it's russia that's gonna do it so much the better.


These things don't happen out of thin air. You need a minimum international consensus to pull them through

Putin riding to the rescue to save Europe from a Syrian refugee 'invasion' - you couldn't make it up a few months ago...

[Bereta_Eder]

For his own reasons of course.
That's not philanthropy nor eurorussi snuggles

[NICE MOBIUS]

True, but Putin the accidental humanitarian has a certain ring to it...

[pchang]

We now have a Hungarian reporter tripping and kicking refugees. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ref...ist=lcountdown

We also have reports that black clad men (who are actually from the Greek Coastguard) are attacking refugee boats and setting them adrift. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...terranean.html

[Sava]

Europe is such a lovely and tolerant place.

[Bereta_Eder]

Let's just hope it's true. God knows the daily mail desperately needs some credibility

[C0ckney]

one of the problems is that many europeans simply don't want immigrants, whether refugees or otherwise, to come to europe.

just as an illustration, according to this poll on the EU/migration, when asked how many syrian refugees should the UK accept, the largest group (29%) said none.



while the sort of direct action, burning down homes destined for refugees, physically attacking migrants, etc., seen in germany is unlikely to gain widespread traction, beyond perhaps an upsurge of hand-wringing and equivocation on message boards, the 'crisis' itself may well translate into wider support for anti-EU, anti-immigrants parties at coming elections.