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  • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
    Something can be descriptive and a slur.
    Yes. Some Israeli politician's wife made a racist tweet about Obama coffee being black and weak.

    "Black" is used as a descriptor, but the usage fundamentally attacks Obama's race
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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    • Sava, your posts have been less entertaining to read since you changed your avatar.
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      • Originally posted by Sava View Post
        Yes. Some Israeli politician's wife made a racist tweet about Obama coffee being black and weak.

        "Black" is used as a descriptor, but the usage fundamentally attacks Obama's race
        You think? In that particular context I'd have just thought it was a crap joke and an ill-advised thing for a politicians wife to come out with. I might just be missing something, but I don't see racism there.

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        • Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
          Sava, your posts have been less entertaining to read since you changed your avatar.
          Like you were 'reading' them in the first place...
          "Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger

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          • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
            Something can be descriptive and a slur.
            The n word is used to disparage all blacks where as white trash is you used to describe trashy people who happen to be white. It is more used to describe social class than race.
            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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            • Originally posted by Sava View Post
              also, it seems to me that for a term to be considered derogatory to a race, it needs to actually... you know, be insulting... on it's own... or targeting the person's race in some way

              Terms like "white trash" don't attack anyone's whiteness. It is to specific between white people who are trash and those who are not. Otherwise, the "white" wouldn't be necessary.

              I've attacked conservatives for being conservative. Gun owners for owning guns. Trash for being trash.

              I mean, Aeson, you are the boss and I'd respect your rules.

              But don't give in to the "WAHHH REVERSE RACISM" whiner bull****
              Aeson is just gun shy because all of the islanders keep calling him whitey.
              Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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              • Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                You think? In that particular context I'd have just thought it was a crap joke and an ill-advised thing for a politicians wife to come out with. I might just be missing something, but I don't see racism there.
                yes, but perhaps an attack on his blackness in the weakest possible way

                I can't speak to that lady or her motives. She could be unfunny. She could be racist and unfunny. That's not for me to say
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                  The n word is used to disparage all blacks where as white trash is you used to describe trashy people who happen to be white. It is more used to describe social class than race.
                  My question is this, what would your response be to someone who used the term "black trash"?
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.â€
                  - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                  • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                    My question is this, what would your response be to someone who used the term "black trash"?
                    My reply would be "Why are you making up terms that nobody uses?"

                    Making up a term like that serves no other purpose than to illustrate race. That's why it would be racist (more racist on a spectrum than "white trash", since I don't like absolutes).
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • Originally posted by Sava View Post
                      I've used it as a specifying term... e.g. "white conservatism", "white trash"

                      where have I used it as a derogatory term?
                      And BK was using "black" as a specifying term. When describing "the problem", adding in a racial descriptor just isn't going to fly.

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                      • Originally posted by Sava View Post
                        also, it seems to me that for a term to be considered derogatory to a race, it needs to actually... you know, be insulting... on it's own... or targeting the person's race in some way

                        Terms like "white trash" don't attack anyone's whiteness. It is to specific between white people who are trash and those who are not. Otherwise, the "white" wouldn't be necessary.

                        I've attacked conservatives for being conservative. Gun owners for owning guns. Trash for being trash.

                        I mean, Aeson, you are the boss and I'd respect your rules.

                        But don't give in to the "WAHHH REVERSE RACISM" whiner bull****
                        So what is the difference between "conservatism" and "white, conservatism"?

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                        • Originally posted by Aeson View Post
                          And BK was using "black" as a specifying term. When describing "the problem", adding in a racial descriptor just isn't going to fly.
                          I'm certainly willing to follow whatever inane language rules you want to come up with.

                          BK was attacking their blackness.

                          I was not attacking whiteness.

                          If you cannot see a distinction. Perma ban me right now. Delete my account.

                          I don't want to be part of a site run by a ****ing moron. Not saying you are, but this is a clear choice where you can choose between being one and not.
                          To us, it is the BEAST.

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                          • I banned Ben for 6 months. You are still posting. If you can't see a distinction there you're the ****ing moron.

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                            • Originally posted by Aeson View Post
                              I banned Ben for 6 months. You are still posting. If you can't see a distinction there you're the ****ing moron.
                              I just want to be clear:

                              Is use of a racial descriptor term itself what you have a problem with?
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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                              • When applied to something like "the problem is" ... just leave race (and sexuality/gender) out. Especially in threads where someone was just banned for including race as a descriptor of what the problem is.

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