Irish Marriage Equality Referendum Draws Near

[giblets]

You've ordered, "sexual fulfillment" at the top of your utilitarian Good. There are problems with this view.

You're obviously not qualified to speak for what I consider a good life.

[Ben Kenobi]

You're obviously not qualified to speak for what I consider a good life.

Somehow I suspect having the sex you want when you want it is high on that list.

[Aeson]

The Church doesn't bar him from 'being with the person you love who also loves you", it teaches that he cannot engage in sodomy with another man.

So two men or two women can get married as long as they don't sodomize each other?

[Ben Kenobi]

No, the child has two mothers.

Does it say that on her birth certificate? She has a mother and a father.

I'm talking about who is raising the kid, of course, not their biological origin.

I'm talking about biological origin.

[giblets]

Somehow I suspect having the sex you want when you want it is high on that list.

LOL no.

[Ben Kenobi]

So two men or two women can get married as long as they don't sodomize each other?

The church teaches that conjugality is part of what marriage is - no sex, no marriage.

[Ben Kenobi]

LOL no

Then why would you assume I wouldn't know?

[Aeson]

The church teaches that conjugality is part of what marriage is - no sex, no marriage.

So you want to deny marriage to the impotent?

[giblets]

Does it say that on her birth certificate? She has a mother and a father.



I'm talking about biological origin.

So you're saying that a woman who adopts a child isn't a mother? If a woman adopts a child she's not the biological progenitor of the child regardless of whether she loves women or loves men. If a heterosexual woman adopts a child you're saying she isn't a mother?

[Aeson]

The church teaches that conjugality is part of what marriage is - no sex, no marriage.

So as long as they don't sodomize each other but instead have other forms of intercourse it's ok ...

[giblets]

Then why would you assume I wouldn't know?

Because you're a mentally retarded dwarf?

[Ben Kenobi]

So you're saying that a woman who adopts a child isn't a mother?

I'm saying that the child does have a mother - her mother who gave birth to her - will always be her mother no matter what happens after.

If a woman adopts a child she's not the biological progenitor of the child regardless of whether she loves women or loves men. If a heterosexual woman adopts a child you're saying she isn't a mother?

I'm saying that we shouldn't be altering the child's birth certificate. Especially in cases like these. It's already been happening - where the child has the legal fiction of not having a father because it's an uncomfortable truth that the child does have a father.

Imagine you're this child. Would you not want to know who was your mother? Or your father?

[giblets]

I'm saying that the child does have a mother - her mother who gave birth to her - will always be her mother no matter what happens after.



I'm saying that we shouldn't be altering the child's birth certificate. Especially in cases like these. It's already been happening - where the child has the legal fiction of not having a father because it's an uncomfortable truth that the child does have a father.

Imagine you're this child. Would you not want to know who was your mother? Or your father?

Since when were we talking about birth certificates?

[Ben Kenobi]

Because you're a mentally retarded dwarf?

I believe the correct nomenclature is "Khazad".

[Ben Kenobi]

Since when were we talking about birth certificates?

Since people decided they wanted to alter them?