Irish Marriage Equality Referendum Draws Near

[Ben Kenobi]

Are you trying to say this is due solely to gay marriage?

I'm saying that gay marriage is a symptom, not a cause. It's a fact that families without one of their parents are more likely to rely on social assistance, and have poorer outcomes than those who are intact. It's the biggest drag on black people right now, because of their sky high illegitimacy rates.

Eventually what is going to happen is that there just aren't going to be enough folks willing or able to fight when the chips come in. They will be too preoccupied in just surviving.

[loinburger]

Well, that's just it. You don't believe that it's important for a child to have their mother and father. This is exactly my point. You don't see it as important, so when it's no longer there, you'll be wondering, "why aren't people doing amazingly awesome without their parents?"

I think it's important, the difference is that you and your kind are so arrogant that you're willing to dictate how others live their lives in order that they live up to ideals that you can't be arsed about. "Let me tell you all about marriage and the family" says the unmarried virgin who hates his family.

[Ming]

You're right, some religions like Islam consider murder ok when it's infidels.

Yep... more stupidity from religions. And while you're having fun poking at other religions, people will continue to poke at the stupid things you believe in.

Will be funny when you don't get to have that choice anymore.

Yep... when we allow ANY religion to make the laws for all, there is no choice.

But yet again, you don't address the main point. Not all religions think being gay is a sin. So, which god is right?

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm sure that when the Muslims institute Sharia then you'll be furiously posting about it on the internet in an effort to win your war.

Actually, you folks are the ones inviting it in. You're the ones striking down laws that say that American laws should prevail over sharia. Presumably because you regard your true enemies as Christians.

Will be an interesting wakeup call. What reason do we have to intervene in a battle between secular progressives like yourselves and Islam?

[Ben Kenobi]

Yep... more stupidity from religions. And while you're having fun poking at other religions, people will continue to poke at the stupid things you believe in.

Well, then. IF you think that Sharia is wrong, then all religions are not the same.

Yep... when we allow ANY religion to make the laws for all, there is no choice.

Which is why it should be wrong to have Sharia courts in America, right, Ming?

But yet again, you don't address the main point. Not all religions think being gay is a sin. So, which god is right?

Like I already pointed out. Islam is ok with murder when it's Infidels. Are you suggesting that Christianity and Islam are moral equivalents?

[C0ckney]

It will go out with a whimper

the catholic church? yes i suspect you're right; it may take a while, though.

[rah]

It's a fact that families without one of their parents are more likely to rely on social assistance,

What does this have to do with gay marriage? Their children will have two parents.

I'm sure if you looked at the average income of gay couples, you'd find it was higher than single parents.

[Ben Kenobi]

you and your kind are so arrogant that you're willing to dictate how others live their lives

Which is why you're suing Christian florists 50k for refusing to cater a gay wedding? Sorry, you don't get to play that card anymore, Loin.

"Let me tell you all about marriage and the family" says the unmarried virgin who hates his family.

Quite the contrary. You're the ones who are so arrogant as to assume that for a child, having their mother and father is unimportant to their wellbeing. We already know that's not true. But, because the cause is more important than the wellbeing of children, we're steaming on full ahead. Societal capital is very hard to replace. The more of it you spend, the more has to be done just to recover what has been lost.

Christians are not going to be willing to serve and die for a state that fines them 50k for their faith. They'll sit on the sidelines, and let the secular progressives step up.

[Ben Kenobi]

the catholic church? yes i suspect you're right; it may take a while, though.

We've survived one collapse of the west already. We're already making preparations to survive the coming collapse.

[Ben Kenobi]

What does this have to do with gay marriage? Their children will have two parents.

But their parents will not be their mother and their father. That's my point.

I'm sure if you looked at the average income of gay couples, you'd find it was higher than single parents.

Actually, quite the opposite. It's lower for the subset that have children. Then there's the whole issue of family instability which is much higher.

[Ben Kenobi]

Although it does amuse me that they think that if we were ever under an existential threat and needed some super soldiers to save us, we'd turn to members of a religion who preach forgiveness, mercy and pacifism.

You are under an existential threat already. Christians have long been a bulwark against Islam.

[Ben Kenobi]

"true" christians and muslims are identical reactionary forces

You'd prefer to be under the Turks again? Really, Paiktis?

[rah]

But their parents will not be their mother and their father. That's my point.



Actually, quite the opposite. It's lower for the subset that have children. Then there's the whole issue of family instability which is much higher.

I'll need you to post some proof for both those statements.
Otherwise we'll just assume that you just made it up like you do everything else.

[Ben Kenobi]

That much-needed intervention is the people power that dramatically reduced the number of regularly mass-going Irish Catholics (now atabout one in five, down from 90% 30 years ago), and which has, in the resounding yes vote in Ireland, socked it to the Catholic hierarchy like never before.

Which raises the question, why should the Catholic church bother with the opinions of those who no longer follow Church teachings?

[rah]

Because they want their money.