Irish Marriage Equality Referendum Draws Near

[loinburger]

Which is why you're suing Christian florists 50k for refusing to cater a gay wedding? Sorry, you don't get to play that card anymore, Loin.

I guess I'm the one who personally levied the fine? That's news to me. Fair is fair then, I'm holding you personally responsible for every act of pedophilia by every Catholic priest ever.

Quite the contrary. You're the ones who are so arrogant as to assume that for a child, having their mother and father is unimportant to their wellbeing. We already know that's not true. But, because the cause is more important than the wellbeing of children, we're steaming on full ahead. Societal capital is very hard to replace. The more of it you spend, the more has to be done just to recover what has been lost.

Again, it's only authoritarian douchebags like you who are willing to pass laws to dictate how families ought to be run - families that you don't have and know nothing about.

[C0ckney]

We've survived one collapse of the west already. We're already making preparations to survive the coming collapse.

has the pope issued orders for all churches to stock up on tinned food and ammo?

[rah]

It would be hilarious if Ben did eventually procreate, and his child was gay.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'll need you to post some proof for both those statements.

http://joeclark.org/gaymoney/marketing/

surveys of subscribers to gay magazines; online polls; and surveys returned by customers of those gay-themed catalogue retailers that were popular in the 1990s. In short, these “facts” were derived from nonrepresentative samples, possibly dominated by people with enough spare time and enough pride in their accomplishments and their station in life to fill out surveys of this kind. (If you’re a typical lower-income gay male, would you be in much of a rush to admit that to a marketing firm?)

It was no coincidence that gay marketers seemingly “proved” the gay community was ripe for marketing.

The 1994 Yankelovich Monitor Gay and Lesbian Perspective survey (quoted in Untold Millions, p. 54) showed that gay and lesbian respondents had lower mean personal and household incomes and were overrepresented in the lowest income brackets. In fact, the only income bracket where gays outnumbered straights was the very lowest one (under $25,000 yearly).

Otherwise we'll just assume that you just made it up like you do everything else.

If you include lesbians, the numbers drastically change, and not for the good.

[C0ckney]

Which raises the question, why should the Catholic church bother with the opinions of those who no longer follow Church teachings?

it shouldn't; it should continue to shrink, wither and become ever more irrelevant to most people's lives.

[Ben Kenobi]

Because they want their money.

If they don't attend what money is there to give up?

[rah]

I was comparing gay couples to single parents. Yours doesn't even mention that. Try again.

[Ben Kenobi]

it shouldn't; it should continue to shrink, wither and become ever more irrelevant to most people's lives

Napoleon said the same thing.

[Elok]

It would be hilarious if Ben did eventually procreate, and his child was gay.

I think we have very different understandings of what hilarity looks like. The results would be more what I would describe as "horribly depressing," I think.

[rah]

If they don't attend what money is there to give up?

I contribute and I very very rarely attend. And due to that the church is very interested in me. (based on all the communications and solicitations.)

The church needs more members like me. I contribute more and require fewer resources than people like you. Win win.

[loinburger]

It would be hilarious up until Ben started beating the gay out of him

[rah]

I think we have very different understandings of what hilarity looks like. The results would be more what I would describe as "horribly depressing," I think.

Actually I think it might modify his opinion. When someone you love is involved, things are a bit different.

[Ben Kenobi]

That's news to me.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2015/0428/Oregon-bakery-fined-135-000-for-refusing-to-make-gay-couple-s-cake

Sorry, I was off. It was 135k.

There's been multiple cases already. So, arrogant douchbag authoritarians? Look in the mirror. What's next, yellow crosses sewn to our jackets?

[loinburger]

Actually I think it might modify his opinion. When someone you love is involved, things are a bit different.

I'm not convinced that Ben is capable of love for anything besides abstractions

[Ben Kenobi]

I was comparing gay couples to single parents. Yours doesn't even mention that. Try again.

When you include lesbians the numbers change and not for the better, rah. Are you arguing that gay men are more likely to adopt than lesbians? If so, I have news for you.