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  • Would you REALLY defend to the death somebody's right to say something?

    "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

    This Voltaire quote is very popular online, usually in a context like this:

    Article: Some random schmuck of middling celebrity said that Arabs smell funny
    Online poster: [Voltaire quote]

    Occasionally this means "I agree that Arabs smell funny," but usually this means "First amendment! First amendment! First amendment!" or whatever the filthy Communist equivalent is in the poster's unAmerican home country. And in each and every case my first thought is, "no, you wouldn't defend to the death somebody's right to say that Arabs smell funny" or whatever the relevant quote is. Maybe you'd complain about it, maybe you'd sign a stupid online petition or even write a letter to your Congressman (or member of Parliament or Crown Prince or whatever), but you would stop well short of death at your defense of somebody's right to say that Arabs smell funny.

    So the question is, what forms of speech would you defend (to the death! or, more realistically, to your imprisonment) somebody's (possibly your own) right to be stated (there appear to be parsing errors in this sentence, sorry)? And please try to limit the slippery slope nonsense, e.g. "I'd defend to the death the banning of the word 'superfluidity' because then it would be only a matter of time until they banned the word 'Christian'" is slippery slope nonsense.
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  • #2
    I wouldn't join the military so I guess not

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    • #3
      There are absolutely no forms of speech I would defend to the death the right to have. As I am principally amoral, speech has no inherent value to me; it is useful only insofar as it serves my purposes. And because we are talking about my own purposes, things stop being useful to me when they kill me. (That said, the only way in which speech serves my purposes is if it is essentially universal and unhindered. Any imaginary society I construct would have basically unrestricted free speech. But no imaginary society I construct is worth my life as far as I'm concerned.)
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      • #4
        Is porn considered a form of speech?
        Libraries are state sanctioned, so they're technically engaged in privateering. - Felch
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        • #5
          I will defend your right to free speech even after death. But I probably wont spend any real effort in the defense.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Thoth View Post
            Is porn considered a form of speech?
            I don't think it would qualify in the US, because the Founding Fathers didn't like porn except for the ones who did
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            • #7
              Wait, you mean defend YOUR right to MY death?

              No way.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by loinburger View Post
                I don't think it would qualify in the US, because the Founding Fathers didn't like porn except for the ones who did
                Libraries are state sanctioned, so they're technically engaged in privateering. - Felch
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                • #9
                  Yep.
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                  • #10
                    I wouldn't defend to the death most people's right to not be eaten by bears, let alone their right to spout whatever stupid **** comes into their heads.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                      Yep.
                      Is that your answer the the OP? If so, stop lying.
                      Indifference is Bliss

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by N35t0r View Post
                        Is that your answer the the OP? If so, stop lying.
                        It doesn't didn't say whose death. So he could be willing to defend the right to call Arabs smelly to the last American soldier.
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                        • #13
                          If they can explain in great detail why they said what they did, maybe
                          "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
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                          • #14
                            A specific stranger? No; but I will defend the ideal of everyone's right to free speech to the death.
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                            • #15
                              Slippery slope
                              I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                              - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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