Christian business owners . . .

[N35t0r]

When we have divorced Pride days I'll take your point under advisement.

Luckily, society doesn't discriminate divorced people like it does gays (for example, divorced people can marry).

When gay people start introducing themselves "Hi, I'm gay" rather than, say, "Hi, I'm John", I'll take your post as being anything but bigoted hate speech.

[MrFun]

What, the cake, or the request? If the former, that's cheap cake.

Funny, I already told you why gays are "singled out": because you're the ones currently at the center of the national political stage. The battle over no-fault divorce was lost before either of us was born. Ditto fornication. Nobody is stupid enough to expect a religious baker to make a cake celebrating fornication or what-have-you, even in an alternate universe where "hooray for humping!" is actually a sentiment people put on cakes. Because that's not a big issue--people haven't compared refusing to create a pastry over that specific sin to the Montgomery bus policy. Turn the question around: why aren't people having a ****-fit over the refusal of religious people to make World's Best Whore cakes, or tattoo cakes, or whatever you think they ought to forbid based on some bible verses you Googled?

Imran, I was blaming Martin Luther for Sola Scriptura in general. He started the ball rolling. I don't imagine he'd be totally happy with the endless fragmentation of the Church that resulted. Or, for that matter, churches with his name on them marrying two dudes.

Summary: Right-wing Christians' real motive is that they just want to be able to discriminate against LGBT people because they hate them; not out of any sincerely held religious belief.

Singling LGBT people out, while ignoring other "sinners" is motivated by politics, not sincerely held religious belief (civil rights for LGBT people is at center, national political stage, as you said).

[N35t0r]

um, welcome to 90% of humanity.

[Kidlicious]

We just hate your liberalism.

[Ben Kenobi]

Then explain to me why it also says fornication is happening so people should get married. Are divorcees suppose to fornicate?

Jesus is quite clear on this. Marriage is for life. Jesus says it is better to marry than burn - but if you've already married then you've made your decision.

This is why marriage needs to be taken seriously. If you realized that this was the woman you were choosing to be with for your life, then people would see it very differently.

[Ben Kenobi]

Luckily, society doesn't discriminate divorced people like it does gays (for example, divorced people can marry).

Again, my point is well taken. People do not march for 'divorced pride days'. They don't identify themselves by their sins. We don't hear of 'liars' parades. But we see them for gay pride days.

Why is this? What is so special about sodomy that it deserves such special treatment?

When gay people start introducing themselves "Hi, I'm gay" rather than, say, "Hi, I'm John", I'll take your post as being anything but bigoted hate speech

What is bigoted about asking this question? Yes, its a sin. The bible is very clear on this. And yet we're supposed to celebrate it and revel in it. Why?

Would you not expect Christians for whom the religion means something to reject this?

[giblets]

Homosexuality isn't the same thing as "sodomy"

[Ben Kenobi]

Summary: Right-wing Christians' real motive is that they just want to be able to discriminate against LGBT people because they hate them; not out of any sincerely held religious belief

As a Christian - Romans 1 doesn't even cause you to pause when making this statement? Who do you think it applies to Mr. Fun?

[Ben Kenobi]

Homosexuality isn't the same thing as "sodomy"

Still doesn't answer the question here. What's so different about it that it needs a parade? And we need to fine Christian florists 150k for refusing to cater?

We don't see this for anything else. Just for this. What is so special here about this one sin that needs everyone to bow to it or be crushed?

[giblets]

People don't choose to be gay. And you're equating it with "sodomy" even though being gay is only correlated with have sexual intercourse that isn't PIV.

[Ben Kenobi]

People don't choose to be gay.

People, however, do choose to engage in Sodomy.

And you're equating it with "sodomy" even though being gay is only correlated with have sexual intercourse that isn't PIV.

We're talking about the act in which Christianity considers sinful. That sin being sodomy.

You are the one equating the two. Not me. You're the one asserting that one is what one does. I am arguing the opposite, that people can and do choose whether or not to engage in sin.

[giblets]

People, however, do choose to engage in Sodomy.



We're talking about the act in which Christianity considers sinful. That sin being sodomy.

You are the one equating the two. Not me. You're the one asserting that one is what one does. I am arguing the opposite, that people can and do choose whether or not to engage in sin.

Please show me an example of a "sodomy pride" parade. You took "gay pride" parades and decided they were about sodomy pride.

[giblets]

Is it impossible for men to be proud of loving other men and women to be proud of loving other women...?

[Ben Kenobi]

Please show me an example of a "sodomy pride" parade. You took "gay pride" parades and decided they were about sodomy pride.

Since this is a family forum..



I'm suggesting that indeed the pride parades are sodomy parades given the public nudity throughout. Nudity which, again, I'll state wouldn't be permitted for any other parade.

[Ben Kenobi]

Is it impossible for men to be proud of loving other men and women to be proud of loving other women...?

Why then do pride parades have so many exhibitionists?