Scott Walker offers a fresh new approach

[Fake Boris]

You suck at math.

EDIT: Alright, I'll elaborate. You pay more taxes when you make more money. Raising taxes is therefore a disincentive to work, not an incentive.

Alright, I'll elaborate.

When you lower taxes on money that has been shown would have been earned anyway, it's exactly like a handout.

[kentonio]

It's not hard to imagine a set of preferences that would lead to someone deciding to work fewer hours as their compensation per hour increases.

Kind of like the way that people earning minimum wage tend to work far longer hours than people on decent salaries. Most people work an amount of time that allows them a decent life, not the maximum amount of hours possible to raise the highest possible income.

[Elok]

When people are desperate they can do some pretty scary stuff so folks who do have something to lose enact come sense policies like unemployment to make sure the have bots don't ****ing lynch them.

I, too, used to be scared of the have-bots. Then I realized that the bots have a built-in kill limit. It was only a matter of sending wave after wave of men at them until they shut down.

[C0ckney]

If you want to continue talking to me like a **** despite the fact I'm on the same side as you when it comes to wanting to ensure people in need are recieving help, then you can **** off quite frankly. Go talk to HC or Reg or someone.

whatever. if you insist on spouting ridiculous nonsense you shouldn't get you knickers in a twist when called out on it.

[Hauldren Collider]

Kind of like the way that people earning minimum wage tend to work far longer hours than people on decent salaries.

This is absolutely not true. The people you find working 80 hour weeks are generally salaried professionals, often lawyers and doctors and such, particularly since they don't get paid overtime.

[Dr Strangelove]

Over here companies generally give their minimum wage employees less than full time employment so they don't have to offer them benefits. It doesn't take much training to do a minimum wage job generally. Hiring 15 people to do what 10 full tie employees would do saves money.

[Hauldren Collider]

That's a direct consequence of Obamacare's health insurance requirement for people working a certain number of hours. Good job democrats.

[C0ckney]

Over here companies generally give their minimum wage employees less than full time employment so they don't have to offer them benefits. It doesn't take much training to do a minimum wage job generally. Hiring 15 people to do what 10 full tie employees would do saves money.

a similar situation occurs in the UK. this can be to avoid legal and tax obligations, taking people as 'self-employed' when they're obviously not, or keep their hours down below the tax credit limit (so we can all pay for them paying ****e wages). there is another reason for this too of course: companies like to keep their low/unskilled workers insecure. insecure and fearful workers are less likely to make demands, to speak up when they are insulted or exploited or see it happening to a colleague, to insist on their legal rights, to organise etc.

there's all manner of stuff that happens in brazil as well to get round employment protections. for example, companies will often 'sack' workers en mass before they reach 90 days and gain certain rights, then re-hire them (instantly) doing the same job, in the same place, with another company.

it's a tough problem and one that can only be somewhat alleviated through legislation. an acceptable compromise can only be achieved by redressing the balance of power in the workplace. a real solution only by getting rid of the wage labour system.

[Pedotard]

This is absolutely not true. The people you find working 80 hour weeks are generally salaried professionals, often lawyers and doctors and such, particularly since they don't get paid overtime.

Do you have any statistics on this?

[Jon Miller]

It is true that many of the upper middle class work super long hours for a bit.

That further's the lie that the problem with the lower classes is that they don't work enough.

A note, those upper middle class are in jobs where they would probably be more productive if they worked less hours (no question that their productivity per hour would be much higher). The huge number of hours work is not really ideal but is rather a form of barrier to artificially decrease the number of positions and thus increase income.

Also, the large number of hours worked in the lower classes are usually due to working two jobs (or more). A fair number of the poor people I know work more than 1 job a week for total number of hours more than 40. This insures that they don't have time to go get a degree btw. This doesn't always appear properly on hours worked plots.

JM

[kentonio]

This is absolutely not true. The people you find working 80 hour weeks are generally salaried professionals, often lawyers and doctors and such, particularly since they don't get paid overtime.

Yes it is true you dumbass, and what's more a huge number of those minimum wage workers are working in jobs that involve hard physical labour over those hours, not sitting in a chair with comfortable break times and the other perks of having a decent job. You try being on your feet for 60+ hours a week with only very short breaks in between, getting paid barely enough to live on, and then come back and tell me how ****ing lazy the lowest paid are.

[kentonio]

whatever. if you insist on spouting ridiculous nonsense you shouldn't get you knickers in a twist when called out on it.

You're just being an ass for the sake of being an ass. As for 'ridiculous nonsense' if you think that the unemployment system in the UK is flawless and that jobseekers are all dedicated workers hard done by by a cruel system, then you're not only stunningly naive but also a ****ing idiot. You sound exactly like the kind of upper middle class, ivory tower Guardian writers who graduate from Cambridge and then sit in their nice offices in London writing about the suffering of the working classes.

[kentonio]

Oh and that incidentally, was an example of why when you talk to someone like a **** you can expect them to reply in kind.

[Hauldren Collider]

I never said they were lazy, Kentonio, just that the long-hour-workers are generally salaried professionals.

[Hauldren Collider]

Do you have any statistics on this?

I do actually, it was in one of the datasets I had to analyze for homework, I'll see if i can dig it up somewhere later today. I may not still have it though