Exit Polls Suggest Syriza Has Won Greek Election

[DinoDoc]

The circumstances are not yet mature, I'd think.

Then stop whining about the conditions creditors of last resort place on bailing out your basket case of a country.

[Bereta_Eder]

bailing out?

who's living in a fantasy word?

And whining?
This is poly for ****'s sake

[Bereta_Eder]

The neo-commies won't remain in power if they abandon their central promise to voters so they are not going to agree with the Germans and will instead drive the car off the cliff just so they can try to blame someone else for the wreck.

There was agreement.

Hold on for the second,

[Bereta_Eder]

I've said this all along. The Germans have to take a hard line or else all the other PIIGS will want the same and Germany can't afford that so it is make Greece live up to its side of the bargain or force it out time.

The exact same text that schauble so called "rejected" was accepted and signed by the gemran gov. verbatim.

Hold on for the effects on greek finance,

[Bereta_Eder]

It is a complete fantasy world. Under EU law any nationalized business has to be bought at fair market value. Where is the money for this? The Greeks can't even buy toilet paper much less nationalize all the companies in the country. ****, every business the state does own right now is an inefficient money loser because the lazy Greeks run it into the ground pretending it is a welfare ticket they can milk instead of actually working.

Significant changes that came about after syriza won the elections:

1. Right of domicile in first residence completely protected (minus some that superceed some value - it is very high though)
2. Pensions - no cuts. stable
3. "Contribution" to enter hospitals etc scrapped
4. Privitization of power company. scrapped. energy mix to be differentiated through RES.
5. Right of businesses to massively fire employees, scrapped
6. Lay offs in public sector (determined by affiliation to ruling party), scrapped
7. Various other privitizations will proceed on a case to case basis
8. minimum wage to gradually increase
9. Obligation to produce a 4% primary surplus every year so as to serve the debts. scrapped. money will be poured right back to the economy

and others I don't remember now.

Also on the social front:
_ same sex mariage status to be passed ASAP
_greek citienship to kids born and grown up here, to be voted ASAP
_close down of detention centers of immigrants, to be forwarded to the rest of europe
_building of high security prisons, scrapped

etc

[Dinner]

The exact same text that schauble so called "rejected" was accepted and signed by the gemran gov. verbatim.

Hold on for the effects on greek finance,

No, it hasn't. All that has happened is that the Germans have told the Greeks they can come up with their own austarity plan provided it totals the same amount as the German austarity plan. That is hardly the end of austarity.

[Bereta_Eder]

You told me to refute you. I have done so.
and it's austErity not some obscure greek godess

[Dinner]

Significant changes that came about after syriza won the elections:

1. Right of domicile in first residence completely protected (minus some that superceed some value - it is very high though)
2. Pensions - no cuts. stable
3. "Contribution" to enter hospitals etc scrapped
4. Privitization of power company. scrapped. energy mix to be differentiated through RES.
5. Right of businesses to massively fire employees, scrapped
6. Lay offs in public sector (determined by affiliation to ruling party), scrapped
7. Various other privitizations will proceed on a case to case basis
8. minimum wage to gradually increase
9. Obligation to produce a 4% primary surplus every year so as to serve the debts. scrapped. money will be poured right back to the economy

and others I don't remember now.

Also on the social front:
_ same sex mariage status to be passed ASAP
_greek citienship to kids born and grown up here, to be voted ASAP
_close down of detention centers of immigrants, to be forwarded to the rest of europe
_building of high security prisons, scrapped

etc

Those are hundreds of billions worth of promises but in your pockets is nothing but lint and an old tic-tak. Do you think the Germans will just pay for your mismanagement. Here is the hard part, the Germans have told the dunes at Syriza they now have to come up with off setting hundreds of billions in cuts. Do you think they will be able to do it and fully impliment them 8n four months? The smart money says no especially since everything else in the Syriza plan is bad for the economy and/or something they can't actually pay for.

[Bereta_Eder]

Syriza's program is fully priced in to the budget, way before negotiations even begun.
I think it costs around 12 bil but I might be wrong.

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW that thing you said about toilet paper?
It was used as an "argument" by the now losers of the elections
there's a ton of jokes about it

[Bereta_Eder]

a bit more whining:

fear needs to be conquered one step at a time.
fear is what the elites use to control the people.
people must believe, and then believe their own eyes but there has to be a leap of faith.

the election losers said: that the day after syriza won, the ATMs would shut down, there will be no toilet paper (really oerdin, work for the conservatives ), greece will find itself isolated, ****ing turkey would invade.

None of this happened. and it will not happen.
believe. overcome your fear.

and if I may be so bold, prepare and leave the euro, even nato. become truely nationally independent. build alliances, proclaim a complete neutrality and enhance democracy on a more and more regional level.
(it will not happen but one can dream)

[C0ckney]

Those are hundreds of billions worth of promises...

no they aren't. greece's whole economy is just over 200 billion euros. is there anything you're not wrong about?

[Bereta_Eder]

anyway, the euro is already done. germany's current austerity plan is already defeated.


we move on to spain and its new government

(I have the suspicion that this media called "democracy now" will probably produce anaphylaxia in some (too leftist or something?) , but at least it's in the english language)

[Dinner]

no they aren't. greece's whole economy is just over 200 billion euros. is there anything you're not wrong about?

15-20 billion per year times 5-10 years equals over 100 billion. Seriously, man, stop arguing against math. You lose.

[Dinner]

anyway, the euro is already done. germany's current austerity plan is already defeated.


we move on to spain and its new government

(I have the suspicion that this media called "democracy now" will probably produce anaphylaxia in some (too leftist or something?) , but at least it's in the english language)

Podemos has the same problems Syriza has; they have a massive spending wish list and no money while most of their proposals would be bad for the economy. They want to withdraw from free trade agreements (so long EU), big tax increases on companies and individuals, raise the minimum wage during a depression, redistribute land (because peasant farmers on tiny plots is the way to economic efficiency ), and yet spend like mad men on everything else. There is no way even the tax increases on the wealthy and companies could pay for their wish list. Most companies will just relocate outside of Spain while markets for Spanish products will dry up without those free trade deals. Only idiots vote for this type of nonsense.