Exit Polls Suggest Syriza Has Won Greek Election

[Hauldren Collider]

What Greece should do is sell off their public assets. Apparently this would pay for their entire sovereign debt...it's a twofer. Get the state out of industries it has no business being involved in and eliminate public debt. Which of course is why it'll never happen. Makes too much sense.

[Dinner]

It just kicks the can down the road four months and wastes good money.

[Dinner]

What Greece should do is sell off their public assets. Apparently this would pay for their entire sovereign debt...it's a twofer. Get the state out of industries it has no business being involved in and eliminate public debt. Which of course is why it'll never happen. Makes too much sense.

Their debts are about $300 billion and the estimated value of saleable state assets in the 2010 report was around $150 billion. Even if they only got 2/3eds of the amount it would still eliminate around 1/3rd of their national debt.

[Dinner]

I like the quote that all they have agreed on is that Greece won't be kicked out for two whole days and that a whole series of conditions still have to be hammered out over the weekend.

[Hauldren Collider]

I remember back in 2010, a whole bunch of Greek teachers visited my high school for two weeks in some sort of exchange program. We had a discussion between the students of my AP Government class and the teachers that centered on the debt crisis. I remember asking them how they felt about the austerity policies, and they starting absolutely raving about how horrible the IMF and Germans are and so on. One of them seemed to be approaching tears...it was shocking to me. I asked how they could be angry at the IMF for being willing to loan them money at all when no one else would. They just sat in stunned silence for a good 30 seconds or so. I don't think they'd considered it that way before. They just shook their heads when most of the class turned out to be basically behind my point of view on it...that experience made me realize the mentality over there is entirely different. In terms of economics, these teachers had no concept of exchange, just the idea of deserving things inherently.

So I guess you could say the exchange program was a success. It opened my eyes to an entirely new mindset: Dependence and entitlement. It frightens me, to be honest--the thought that you could have a whole society of people who feel so deeply and fundamentally as though they deserve something for nothing. Perhaps it shouldn't be so shocking--I think we get that frequently enough here too. But it's a far greater extreme over there.

[Dinner]

I noticed one of the first things the neo-Marxists promised to do was eliminate the hated property tax. It is hated because it is the one tax even tax cheating Greeks can't dodge. Their tax collection rates are abysmal because the culture is one of cheating and not paying. Everyone does it and every election the first thing the party in power does is stop collecting taxes. They all have their hands out and feel entitled to free stuff but none of them ever pays what he owes.

No wonder their country is a dysfunctional laughing stock which has to go begging.

[Hauldren Collider]

The Thatcher quote of running out of other people's money comes to mind.

[Bereta_Eder]

S
Writing from tablet so cant write much.
Interesting to read hc experience.
Oerdin still wrong hehe
Lets say i know ten people. About one of them dont pay all tax.
Propertyt ax unfair because proportionality wrong plus otherthings.
Oh and Usa hehe. much happing behind the scenes apparently.
Austerity lost. June program endz. May europe physiognomy completely changes starting from spain.
Tada.have a nice saturday

[Bereta_Eder]

Ok more statistics,

10% of greeks own 50,6% of all wealth

400.000 greeks owe in taxes 400 bil.
400 bil.
400 bil.

ALL the other greeks COMBINED owe 2 bil.
9 million 600 hundrends greeks owe 2 bil.

Now,
let me say it clear so that is heard on the rooftops

**** the euro, **** the rich,

tada

[Bereta_Eder]

and taking into account the quisling former govs (yes Im pissed)

[Bereta_Eder]

And just as an information. syriza don't wear ties, that's true. Podemos don't even wear SHIRTS. (they were sweaters)
So there.

[Bereta_Eder]

Plus they forced us to take the loan which syriza took without the crippling austerity measures though. It does not have a mandate to leave the euro just lessen austerity. Untill the people wake up completely its hands are tied.

[Bereta_Eder]

netxt and last (I Hope)

the former quilsing govs* morgaged our future in that way:
they took loans after loans from mainly french and german banks to buy mainly german things.

when the **** hit the fan, the quislings, instead of blowing the whole whorehouse in the air, they tranfered all the debts in public hands. hence they thought, they'd turn one nationality against each other burrying the oh so glorious european project which is now hijacked by banskters and free markets and neoliberalism.

the show is over.

syriza pushed the first domino piece. if europe knows what's good for it it will follow and it will follow alright.

first we take manhatan (greece) then we take berlin (spain)

*oh yeah, i use quislings in the form that this word signifies the ultimate betrayal of peoples. I'd use ephialtes, but how many would know it.


I dont want to go national but italy/france/irland are in that mindset of lesseing auterity.
portougal and spain simply don't have the govs they want yet, or they'd be like hulks in the eurogroup.

**** those theatrics.

ok I'm out. I'm going for a coffee.

[C0ckney]

what HC believes the teachers thought:

We had a discussion between the students of my AP Government class and the teachers that centered on the debt crisis. I remember asking them how they felt about the austerity policies, and they starting absolutely raving about how horrible the IMF and Germans are and so on. One of them seemed to be approaching tears...it was shocking to me. I asked how they could be angry at the IMF for being willing to loan them money at all when no one else would. They just sat in stunned silence for a good 30 seconds or so. I don't think they'd considered it that way before. They just shook their heads when most of the class turned out to be basically behind my point of view on it...that experience made me realize the mentality over there is entirely different. In terms of economics, these teachers had no concept of exchange, just the idea of deserving things inherently.

what they really thought:

Jesus Christ these stupid rich kids understand nothing. If you make drastic cuts during a recession the economy collapses. You can't sort out a solvency crisis with more debt. Economics 1-0-****ing-1. And this is supposed to be an elite school; they're hopeless. I knew we should have gone to Philadelphia...

[C0ckney]