Bill Maher: Islam is inherently worse than other religions.

[Sava]

Imran: "Saddam... not so bad when you think about him"

[Dauphin]

Reminds me of "Say what you like about Hitler, at least he killed Hitler".

[Imran Siddiqui]

Hey, he did, didn't he?

[OneFootInTheGrave]

If Saddam stayed in power without the sanctions there would likely have been more than 1M alive people over last decade in Iraq who have died from the "intervention" either directly or indirectly, not to mention millions of refugees that would not have happened, ancient communities which would still exist in there, and so on.

There would be no ISIL, probably few hundred thousand less dead in Syria, few million of refugees less in there too. To think all this was done on the back of few thousand gassed Kurds. Propaganda at its finest. Saddam may have been an "evil dictator" perfect for media demonization, but what were last 10 years? Is there a mascot to wear the flag for million and more dead?

But that is not the point, is it - the point is that the region is destabilized - Israel and Saudis are happy as well as US defence industry..

Saddam should have poured the dollars into US congress while he still had them, and it is the best thing anyone else in US crosshairs can do. In case you have "pariah" status, well #1 priority should be to find a way to deliver the millions to the congress and repair your media representation in the country of freedom fries. Should be #1 priority for any despot.

That approach works wonders for Saudis.

[Felch]

You're just the typical product of disinformation. Your country keeps overthrowing, harassing and isolating secular regimes in Muslim countries; when it meets success, you blame Muslims for being illiberal.

No, I accuse Muslims of being illiberal because their religion contradicts Article 18 of the UDHR.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

[Imran Siddiqui]

Deuteronomy 13:6-9

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people.

Deuteronomy 17:3-5

3 and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars in the sky, 4 and this has been brought to your attention, then you must investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death.

[Felch]

Do Lutherans follow the Deuteronomic Code? Catholics don't.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Are they thus "bad" Christians?

The Pharisees thought Jesus was a bad Jew. Was He?

[Sava]

Hey, he did, didn't he?

Indeed.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Speaking of the Catholics... Catholic Encyclopedia:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01624b.htm

The Spanish Inquisition was directed, at the end of the fifteenth century, chiefly against apostates, the Maranos, or new Christians, Jews converted by force rather than by conviction; while in 1609 it dealt severely with the Moriscos, or professedly-converted Moors of Spain.

[Sava]

Are they thus "bad" Christians?

The Pharisees thought Jesus was a bad Jew. Was He?

Yes. Yes.

[Kidlicious]

Imran: "Saddam... not so bad when you think about him"

Leftists will say any damn thing.

Oncle,

Problem is Islam, not Christians, not Jews. Christians and Jews couldn't force them to be Islamists if they wanted to.

[Sava]

Anyone who has ever used the term "leftist" cannot possibly have a triple digit IQ.

[Lorizael]

Anyone who has ever used the term "leftist" cannot possibly have a triple digit IQ.

Thanks for making that sacrifice for the rest of us.

[Felch]

Are they thus "bad" Christians?

The Pharisees thought Jesus was a bad Jew. Was He?

No, of course not. Christians are under no obligation to follow the Deuteronomic Code. That's a recurring theme in the New Testament, that Christ has perfected the Law of Moses and given us a new covenant.

Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.

Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

The apostles and elders met to consider this question. After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Is there anything in Islam that says the Hadith forbidding apostasy is obsolete? Are there any schools of Islamic law that do not condemn apostasy?