Women apparently still don't like the GOP's war on women.

[Fake Boris]

Companies spend billions of dollars every year trying to comply with laws and regulations. There are so many it isn't actually possible to comply with them all. At any given moment every company in America is probably violating a dozen labor laws. The whole system is a ****ing mess, and it's a death by a thousand cuts--no individual rule is the one that makes it so expensive, it's the fact that there are so many of them. You really need a good positive reason to have a rule before you put it in place. Unfortunately, too many people think like sava and say "well it causes no harm!" It does cause harm. It causes harm simply by existing in the books. For some rules, the harm is worth it. For most, it isn't. This is why people who say "We need more regulation!" are out of their minds--"more" regulation is meaningless. You need good regulation, not more.

Give examples

[Dinner]

There is a big problem with illegal Mexican foremen, employed illegal by agricultural companies, taking advantage of poor women mostly from Mexico. Many of them have spent their life's savings just to get here illegally and so they're desperate for a job and then the Mexican illegal men who got their first and who are in a position to say who gets hired or not demand sex in exchange for for letting the women work. Of course, none of this would happen if they weren't all criminal illegal aliens but the agricultural companies must take part of the blame because they're looking the other way. If we're really honest then these companies should all have all of their assets seized and the shareholders imprisoned simply because they're knowingly hiring illegals. That won't happen though because America's political system is highly corrupt and people with money literally write the laws for their exclusive benefit.

[Ben Kenobi]

Perhaps the solution is to grant them citizenship let them vote and deport Dinner to Mexico.

[Sava]

Companies spend billions of dollars every year trying to comply with laws and regulations. There are so many it isn't actually possible to comply with them all. At any given moment every company in America is probably violating a dozen labor laws. The whole system is a ****ing mess, and it's a death by a thousand cuts--no individual rule is the one that makes it so expensive, it's the fact that there are so many of them. You really need a good positive reason to have a rule before you put it in place. Unfortunately, too many people think like sava and say "well it causes no harm!" It does cause harm. It causes harm simply by existing in the books. For some rules, the harm is worth it. For most, it isn't. This is why people who say "We need more regulation!" are out of their minds--"more" regulation is meaningless. You need good regulation, not more.

The world's smallest violin is playing for the (not so) poor corporations forced to live under the rule of jackboot thugs they put into office.

You are a massive idiot and completely disingenuous. The only "good" regulation in your mind is one that doesn't exist.

[Ben Kenobi]

The only "good" regulation in your mind is one that doesn't exist.

Personally I think the law restricting professions like medicine and law to citizens and legal immigrants is a good one. But apparently California disagrees with me.

[N35t0r]

I'd actually rather they restrict medicine to people who have actually successfully studied medicine, regardless of their nationality.

The bar (and most of the justice system) is just a self-perpetuating system whose main purpose is to boost lawyers' pay.

[DinoDoc]

FTR: This would appear to be an example of a real War on Women (tm) being waged in a western country, ken. It even had the tacit support of the State who ignored evidence of the war (tm) going on in their own country: Rotherham: politics ‘imported from Pakistan’ fuelled sex abuse cover-up – MP

[Dinner]

But I thought Scott Walker was a shoe in for the White House?

H.C. also said the same sort of stuff about the former Republican governor of Virginia who is now on trial for taking hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes.

[Kidlicious]

The world's smallest violin is playing for the (not so) poor corporations forced to live under the rule of jackboot thugs they put into office.

You are a massive idiot and completely disingenuous. The only "good" regulation in your mind is one that doesn't exist.

Women suffer from overregulation. Stop waging a War on Women you KKK lover!

[Hauldren Collider]

The world's smallest violin is playing for the (not so) poor corporations forced to live under the rule of jackboot thugs they put into office.

You are a massive idiot and completely disingenuous. The only "good" regulation in your mind is one that doesn't exist.

These things are what drive up unemployment and send companies overseas. It's not about pity for the companies, it's pity for the fact that we have hundreds of thousands of people who should have jobs but don't because of stupid rules.

[Sava]

These things are what drive up unemployment and send companies overseas. It's not about pity for the companies, it's pity for the fact that we have hundreds of thousands of people who should have jobs but don't because of stupid rules.

It's sad that you believe that.

But funny, nevertheless.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'd actually rather they restrict medicine to people who have actually successfully studied medicine, regardless of their nationality.

As an illegal immigrant? Interesting. What this does is reduce the value of everyone in America who actually has certification.

The bar (and most of the justice system) is just a self-perpetuating system whose main purpose is to boost lawyers' pay.

Would you want your judge to not have passed the bar? Or to have passed the bar in another country, illegally immigrated into Argenchilea, and then was in charge of enforcing Argenchilean laws?

Seems bad to me, but I guess if you're used to colonialism I can see why you favor this.

[N35t0r]

As an illegal immigrant? Interesting. What this does is reduce the value of everyone in America who actually has certification.

So does abolishing labour unions...

In any case, as long as the certification is valid, what does the legal residence status of the person affect his qualifications in the relevant fields? I'd rather be operated upon a licensed MD that entered the country illegally than by a legal resident that doen't know anything about medicine.

Would you want your judge to not have passed the bar?

If he has the proper qualifications, I don't see how having taken an exam that measures memorization skills would affect this. After all, there's millions of people who have passed the bar who I wouldn't want to have as a judge either.

Or to have passed the bar in another country, illegally immigrated into Argenchilea, and then was in charge of enforcing Argenchilean laws?

1) I wouln't care about them having passed the bar, that was my point. That it is pretty much an union.
2) You need more than having passed the bar to be a judge here. Like having political friends.

Seems bad to me, but I guess if you're used to colonialism I can see why you favor this.

Just as much as you are to raping kids and murdering people whom you don't agree with!

[Ben Kenobi]

So does abolishing labour unions

How? Labor unions are useless. There's no reason why a teacher's certification should be limited to just one state.

In any case, as long as the certification is valid, what does the legal residence status of the person affect his qualifications in the relevant fields?

In the case of law? He has to swear an oath to uphold the laws of the country. Also, having a judge who's an illegal immigrant is rather bad for ensuring that the laws of the country are actually enforced...

I'd rather be operated upon a licensed MD that entered the country illegally than by a legal resident that doen't know anything about medicine.

How is it proper to license someone if you aren't sure what their actual identity is?

If he has the proper qualifications, I don't see how having taken an exam that measures memorization skills would affect this. After all, there's millions of people who have passed the bar who I wouldn't want to have as a judge either.

So you're ok with someone who's not Argenchilean enforcing argenchilean laws on you. Interesting. This is no different from colonialism, Nestor.

[N35t0r]

How? Labor unions are useless.

They serve to increase members' wages through collective bargaining. If they were useless, then nobody would be against them. Clearly they have some effect.

You mentioned that allowing for immigrants with certifications being allowed to practise in the US would reduce the value of people with such certifications. This means that, by forbidding foreign certified people from practidsing, local certified people are inflating their wages. Not unlike labor unions.

In fact, such high wages very probably come hand-in-hand with high certification costs (or education); having people with such high-value education come into the country is a benefit.

In the case of law? He has to swear an oath to uphold the laws of the country.

But I would gues that you'd have a judge swear a similar oath, no?

Also, having a judge who's an illegal immigrant is rather bad for ensuring that the laws of the country are actually enforced...

Hm. I'd agree that a judge should not be an illegal immigrant

How is it proper to license someone if you aren't sure what their actual identity is?

I would hazard that a doctor licenced in another country would have the appropiate documents certifying this? Like a medical degree diploma. Of course, I'd make sure that the issuing institution was reputable.

So you're ok with someone who's not Argenchilean enforcing argenchilean laws on you.

As long as he could demonstrate he possesses the relevant knowledge and skills, and swore to uphold local laws, why not?

This is no different from colonialism, Nestor.

When we were a colony, local judges swore to uphold Spanish laws and ultimately answered to the king of Spain. I'd say it's rather different to swearing to uphold Argentine laws and ultimately answering to the constitution.