Drunk Drivers' Rights?

[Sava]

I wasn't aware Medicare made the government own the medical industry.

Because... that's the only way it could be socialism.

People who understand the meaning of words understand this.

[Ben Kenobi]

People who understand the meaning of words understand this.

Do you consider wealth redistribution socialist?

[Berzerker]

This does not follow. One can avoid paying taxes altogether and yet not receive government subsidies.

You cant avoid taxes with the Church's wealth, it aint some guy living out in the wilderness. We pay higher property taxes so your Church doesn't. And thats just one example, the subsidies are enormous.

In America? Americans, have, by and large, been anticlerical for a long, long time. Catholics are a minority here, despite, in the case of Texas, being the first ones here.

You joined a vast criminal organization that bathes in the blood and treasure of millions and they've been doing it for centuries.

Still doesn't change the fact that I have medicare deductions on my paystub.

And that doesn't change the fact you accused me of taking your money via Medicare. And you used that false accusation to "justify" your so-called right to make all of my decisions for me. From what medicines I can use (if any) to what foods I eat, how much exercise I get, everything... But you'd scream "SOCIALIST!" and "FREEDOM!" if anyone said they get to make all your decisions.

Representation is my right to have a say in my own taxation, to what extent I shall be taxed, and the extent of coverage. So yes, representation means I get a say.

Thats not what you said, you claimed a right to make everyone's decisions. And I support earmarking taxes so we dont have to pay for whatever the politicians want. Your Republicans dont support that, they want the power.

I don't see anywhere that medicare is included within the powers of congress within the constitution.

Me neither, so explain how you can use an unconstitutional power to create for yourself total control over everyone? Here's your argument, Congress is violating the Constitution so I get to be dictator. Where in the Constitution does it say Ben becomes our king the moment you gotta pay a tax for Medicare? Tell that to your class, I can already imagine the looks on their parents faces when the kiddies report on what they learned in school today. Well, you love the drug war and that is not in the Constitution either. They had to amend the Constitution for a war on booze, they aint never done that for pot or anything else.

I believe in constitutional governance for America, that America should keep the promises she has made.

The Indians want their land back... Where in the Constitution does it say you get to make our medical decisions? So far your answer is you get that power because you're paying a Medicare tax. Your logic: Congress is violating the Constitution so Congress must violate it even worse for you.

Welcome to the democrat party, Berz!

Not that he's a Democrat, but I'm honored to join Ming

You support socialist health care and I do not.

Not really... Medicare uses the same private system employed by us and insurance, the VA is state owned. The early Congress required a tax to cover the health care of mariners, the Framers weren't socialists. If we're gonna cover the health care of the people we send to war I'd rather we do it in the same system we're using, but the Democrats and Republicans created the VA. They like wars

But you do support socialism, you said the Medicare tax you're paying gives you the right to make our decisions.

Whether medicare is funded is something that I have a say in as my taxes are used to fund it.

Have your say... Just stop changing the subject.

[Berzerker]

one more thing Ben, people have been paying into SS and Medicare (just like you)... Is that a promise America should keep? How do you defund Medicare after people paid into the system for decades and now they're old and unable to work?

[DinoDoc]

one more thing Ben, people have been paying into SS and Medicare (just like you)... Is that a promise America should keep?

Re Social Security at least: Flemming v. Nestor

[Ben Kenobi]

one more thing Ben, people have been paying into SS and Medicare (just like you)... Is that a promise America should keep? How do you defund Medicare after people paid into the system for decades and now they're old and unable to work?

I think they should get the same deal I would get. Nothing. The SS system is bankrupt. The question isn't whether it will last, but when will it fall apart.

[Ben Kenobi]

You cant avoid taxes with the Church's wealth

You're a libertarian in favor of wealth taxes? Wow. Some libertarian.

We pay higher property taxes so your Church doesn't.

Again, this doesn't logically follow. In many cases, the towns grew up around the church, not the other way around.

You joined a vast criminal organization that bathes in the blood and treasure of millions and they've been doing it for centuries.

Aren't you happy with your promotion to "Grand Wizard?"

And that doesn't change the fact you accused me of taking your money via Medicare.

You support Medicare. So I was absolutely spot on in calling you out.

Thats not what you said, you claimed a right to make everyone's decisions.

I said, insofar as I am paying for your healthcare, yes I get a say. That's a crucial word, 'insofar'.

And I support earmarking taxes so we dont have to pay for whatever the politicians want. Your Republicans dont support that, they want the power.

I'm fine with earmarking, line vetos, etc. I would love to see Obamacare gutted.

Me neither, so explain how you can use an unconstitutional power to create for yourself total control over everyone?

That's the biggest reason to eliminate socialized medicare. The government arrogates to itself the authority to tell you what to eat. Look at Michelle Obama's lunch program.

They had to amend the Constitution for a war on booze, they aint never done that for pot or anything else.

Treating something as a controlled drug is not the same as prohibition. Also, prohibition passed the amending formula, meaning that it was a valid amendment.

Did Obamacare pass a constitutional amendment? Did Medicare? No.

The Indians want their land back

They fought a war over it. They lost. That sucks, but it's American land now.

Medicare uses the same private system

Medicare is funded by taxpayers. That's what makes it socialism.

But you do support socialism, you said the Medicare tax you're paying gives you the right to make our decisions.

Everyone paying into medicare has a say.

[Berzerker]

You say America should keep its promises while telling people who paid into the system for decades they should get nothing? Your GOP dont agree with you, are they socialists? If you get nothing when you retire you got screwed, kinda ironic since thats what you wanna do to everyone else. Ben endorses stealing billions from the elderly

[Berzerker]

You're a libertarian in favor of wealth taxes? Wow. Some libertarian.

Here is what I said:

You cant avoid taxes with the Church's wealth, it aint some guy living out in the wilderness. We pay higher property taxes so your Church doesn't.

Nothing in there about what I favor... Your Church is subsidized by the rest of us. Your job is subsidized by the rest of us. Unless your wealth is stuffed in a mattress you cant avoid taxes, even the mattress was taxed. How does one have billions and not get taxed without exemptions from the taxes? And those exemptions mean other people are picking up the slack with higher taxes. How in the hell do you think the Church got so wealthy without government help? They've been "subsidized" for ~1700 years.

Again, this doesn't logically follow. In many cases, the towns grew up around the church, not the other way around.

What does that have to do with the higher property taxes we pay so your Church doesn't?

You support Medicare. So I was absolutely spot on in calling you out.

You didn't accuse me of supporting it, you accused me of taking your money to pay for my medicine. And I vote Libertarian, Ben... Its your GOP that supports Medicare. I'm largely indifferent to Medicare, I'm not a beneficiary and I have little desire to tell old people they're screwed because you dont like paying taxes. You have no problem making the rest of us pay for what you want.

I said, insofar as I am paying for your healthcare, yes I get a say. That's a crucial word, 'insofar'.

Your "say" was the right to make everybody's decisions about how they live.

Treating something as a controlled drug is not the same as prohibition. Also, prohibition passed the amending formula, meaning that it was a valid amendment.

Pot is prohibited, calling it "controlled" is a distinction without a difference. There was no constitutional amendment to prohibit or "control" pot and I just said booze was prohibited with an amendment.

Did Obamacare pass a constitutional amendment? Did Medicare? No.

The court said Obamacare is constitutional, it doesn't need an amendment. I imagine the court ruled Medicare constitutional as well. Do I agree with them? No... So I vote Libertarian and you support the GOP and they support Medicare and you blame me. Thats effing brilliant! It was Bush's judge who gave Obamacare his blessing, a Republican President and his nominee. So you're complaining to the wrong person.

They fought a war over it. They lost. That sucks, but it's American land now.

Some fought wars, some didn't - most were defending themselves. Many had treaties for land that were negated. No promise for you!

Medicare is funded by taxpayers. That's what makes it socialism.

So are the military, roads, border control, courts, Congress, libraries, schools, churches, the Catholic Church, etc... I dont think you know what socialism means (I'm no expert myself), Medicare is the state contracting with private health care for a service. Socialism is the state owning the health care system, like the VA. And even the VA isn't really socialism since it exists as a small restricted part of a much larger private system VA participants can access.

[Sava]

Medicare is funded by taxpayers. That's what makes it socialism.

No.

Learn what words mean, fucktard.

[Felch]

You say America should keep its promises while telling people who paid into the system for decades they should get nothing? Your GOP dont agree with you, are they socialists? If you get nothing when you retire you got screwed, kinda ironic since thats what you wanna do to everyone else. Ben endorses stealing billions from the elderly

I'm unlikely to get anything out of Social Security, or at best, I'm unlikely to get my money's worth out of it. Why can't I opt out of a scheme that's likely to default before I'm eligible to collect from it?

[Sava]

You can opt-out any time you like. Buy a one-way international flight somewhere else.

America. Love it or GTFO.

[Sava]

[Sava]

btw, heiress to the walmart fortune has killed at least one person while DWI

http://mic.com/articles/79039/the-untold-story-of-alice-walton-s-dwi-incident

http://open.salon.com/blog/zacherydtaylor/2013/09/12/drunken_driving_charges_dropped_against_alice_walton

[Berzerker]

I'm unlikely to get anything out of Social Security, or at best, I'm unlikely to get my money's worth out of it. Why can't I opt out of a scheme that's likely to default before I'm eligible to collect from it?

You should be able to opt out, but the people paying into the system still gotta be compensated