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  • #46
    The privilege in Louisiana only attaches to the the person offering the confession and not the priest. From the article I linked to: Once the penitent has revealed what was said — or perhaps more to the specific point in this case, alleges to have revealed what was said — the state can subpoena the priest to confirm or deny the testimony. In that sense, it’s akin to the lawyer-client privilege, which can be broken by the client.
    The penitent is free to break privilege, the priest is not. Even if the penitent breaks privilege, the priest cannot do so.

    If the state subpoenas the priest and forces him to take the stand the priest cannot reveal:

    1, that the plaintiff is the penitent. and
    2, anything that was said within the seal of the confessional by the penitent to the priest.

    The priest could answer questions such as, "is this a copy of the rite of confession' that you use within the sacrament." He could not answer any questions that would personally identify the penitent.

    The case appears to be put the priest and by extension the Catholic Church in an untenable position based on its own doctrine.
    The position is not untenable. The doctrine of the Catholic church is 100 percent clear.

    It will be interesting to see the final disposition of the issue. Any lawyers wanna take a guess if there are any issues on which the Church might appeal to the Federal bench? If not, I guess the priest is going to have to go to jail.
    The Catholic church will take this to the Supreme Court if necessary to protect the seal of the confessional.

    This is all a rather silly case to base this on, given as the Church and priest isn't the primary defendant. I strongly suspect they will reach a settlement.

    The penitent is making gratuitous assertions concerning what the priest said in the confessional, that she knows that the priest cannot confirm nor deny without breaking the seal. It also renders her statement as hearsay, and there's a specific clause within Louisiana law which protects the priest against accusations of hearsay.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
      The penitent is free to break privilege, the priest is not. Even if the penitent breaks privilege, the priest cannot do so.
      According to State law, he's not protected by privilege once the penitent breaks it. The issue at hand here is if the right of Catholics to enjoy the full expression of their faith renders that fact moot. The conflict here makes it an interesting legal question IMO.
      The position is not untenable. The doctrine of the Catholic church is 100 percent clear.
      He's either forced to break the seal of the confessional by the State or goes to jail. Neither of those are pleasant options for the priest.
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      • #48
        One is martyrdom for the priest.
        No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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        • #49
          You have legal protections for confessions?

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          • #50
            If you're going to have it for psychiatrists then why not?
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            • #51
              Priests should be licensed by the government
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #52
                No, because that would drive up priest wages.

                Barriers to competition
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                • #53
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
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                    Yes. Poly is acting weird today.
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #55
                      According to State law, he's not protected by privilege once the penitent breaks it.
                      Well then. I'm not sure what the prosecution is trying to accomplish. The priest isn't going to reveal anything about the confessional. All this does is piss off quite a few people.

                      The issue at hand here is if the right of Catholics to enjoy the full expression of their faith renders that fact moot. The conflict here makes it an interesting legal question IMO.
                      It's not even the central question in the case, which makes it rather silly. I don't see it going much further.

                      He's either forced to break the seal of the confessional by the State or goes to jail. Neither of those are pleasant options for the priest.
                      He's not breaking the seal, and certainly not for trivial reasons granted in this particular case. Louisiana code is clear - everything the penitent has said here is mere heresay and isn't actionable. She can lie all she wants.

                      It's just a money grab.
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                      • #56
                        Priests should be licensed by the government
                        So much for that whole 'separation of Church and state' eh? First amendment prevents state meddling into church affairs.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                          It's just a money grab.
                          very accurate description of the catholic church
                          To us, it is the BEAST.

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                          • #58
                            very accurate description of the catholic church
                            Read up on the case. The Catholic church isn't even the primary defendant. The case came after the primary defendant died and is unable to defend himself. Odd that, eh? It's just a money grab.
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                            • #59
                              yeah weird that people would try to do something to get money
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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                              • #60
                                drug war supporters dont believe in religious freedom

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