Pope excommunicates the Mafia

[N35t0r]

I'm going to oppose catholicism because of the irresponsibility of some catholics. Clearly catholicism should be outlawed.

People steal and then go to mass and they confess their sins and get absolved. Catholics care more about their religion than the law, they are a clear menace.

[Sava]

If those "dopers" could've been buying their stuff legally, I wonder if they would've been home smoking and playing video games instead of robbing BK... or whatever happened. I don't trust his word about anything. Constant lies.

[N35t0r]

Also, I love how the society that now sees astronomy in good regard is totally catholic, so it doesn't matter that they used to burn them at the stake for heresy, but he holocaust had nothing to do with catholicism.

[rah]

Since the church as extorted money throughout it's history, it should be outlawed and disbanded.

And I also believe that he is exaggerating about his experiences. Just as he has proven to be a douche many times.

[Berzerker]

Having you forego dope is not, 'putting you in a cage'. If it feels that way, Dope has way too big a hold over you.

You're putting millions of people in cages for not following your orders

It matters because folks like me end up cleaning behind folks like you.

You didn't clean up after me, I cleaned up after you

God told people to use it in a responsible manner, for sustenance, not for getting high. You can huff paint thinner, doesn't mean that it was the way in which it was intended to be used. Arguing your dope habit is therapeutic and getting state benefits to get high doesn't strike me as a very libertarian position.

God made pot, we made paint thinner. And I've never said people should get state benefits to get high.

It can be, but let's be honest. We wouldn't be having this argument if dope didn't get people high. People use it to get high.

Thats right, if people like you didn't care if others got high it would be legal and we wouldn't be having this argument. It is medicine and you want to put sick people in cages for using it.

I would regulate them so that their primary use wasn't to get high - which means not available in 'dispensaries' etc. People getting high off powerful drugs is drug abuse, not use. There's a difference.

Pot is not a powerful drug

Yawn, "Taliban Ben", for wanting dope to stay illegal. Yeah, sure. You gonna reimburse me and my family for what we've had stolen? Does anybody really care? Nope. So I'm gonna oppose legalization because of the irresponsibility of some dope users. Perhaps if dope users were more responsible they could be trusted.

You're not Taliban Ben for wanting dope illegal, you're a Taliban for thinking everyone is obliged to obey the god in you. Think about it, you said people should be put in cages for altering their perceptions of life. How did you come to acquire ownership rights over everyone else?

They stole from me, and as a consequence, stole from my freedom, and my family's freedom. Again, smokers don't steal from me. Dopeheads have. It ain't prejudice if it's justified by prior ****ty behavior.

I never stole from you and you're no better than the thieves who stole your freedom - you stole everyone's freedom, thats far worse than stealing a snowblower.

If it were one instance, yes, I could see your point. My experience is that dopeheads believe their right to get high trumps everybody else's rights, which explains why they use it so irresponsibly.

They have a right to get high, you dont have a right to cage them for doing it.

Yes, crime victims are usually against the crime not being considered a crime.

what?

So this is how you justify stealing the private property of others and committing crimes without regard to the victims. Thanks for answering my question, Berz, that when the chips are down, you love private property less than scoring dope.

what? Dope is private property

Even the ones that have jobs will steal to feed their habit because they regard Dope as more important to them than respect for private property.

You're bearing false witness again, you know a "few" dopeheads who stole, there are millions out there who dont steal.

If dope is so important to you, dope has put you in a cage, voluntarily.

Freedom is important to me, and you have volunteered to put millions of people in cages for exercising their freedom. Now, if there is a judgement day and we're standing before the pearly gates being held accountable for our actions, you will see millions of people accusing you of the crime of hurting them and your defense will be someone hurt you. Wont they also be held accountable, but your victims number in the millions. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes.

No, you haven't. Others have - but blaming innocents is the wrong way to go, Berz. Do you not see it from my perspective?

You are blaming the innocent, you blame other people because someone stole your property

If black people regularly stole from me, I would not want to associate with them and would go out of my way to avoid contact. Despite the negative stereotypes, black people, by and large, have treated me kindly.

Thats racism Ben, you're judging people based on their skin color.

So why are you supporting gay marriage licenses?

I dont support licenses, I support marriage. If the state intrudes and demands licensing power, then why should I blame people getting married? They didn't create licenses, people like you did that. Should I demand an end to all marriage because the state requires a license?

[N35t0r]

You are blaming the innocent, you blame other people because someone stole your property

But we already know Ben is a bad christian.

[Ben Kenobi]

Also, I love how the society that now sees astronomy in good regard is totally catholic, so it doesn't matter that they used to burn them at the stake for heresy, but he holocaust had nothing to do with catholicism.

You're aware that Copernicus was a Catholic layperson who's day job was working for the church? While he did not take holy orders he did work for them and they funded his research and provided him with a place to conduct his observations.

[Ben Kenobi]

it should be outlawed and disbanded.

Wow, and people say I'm un-American. 1st amendment - freedom of religion protects the Church, just as it protects your right to be a bigoted ass.

[Ben Kenobi]

If those "dopers" could've been buying their stuff legally, I wonder if they would've been home smoking and playing video games instead of robbing BK... or whatever happened. I don't trust his word about anything. Constant lies.

It actually was the dealer who stole from us to fund his little enterprise, not the clients.

[Ben Kenobi]

My family has had stuff stolen by catholics who later were absolved from their sins after confession to a priest. Will you reimburse us for those, BK?

What was stolen from you?

[Ben Kenobi]

You had stuff stolen while dope was illegal, so you want to keep it illegal to stop people stealing from you. Your logic is appalling.

If dope dealers are getting absolved, then I want some restitution from the dealers for what was stolen. They've got the money. If a legal business stole from others, they would be taken to court and they would have to pay restitution.

[Ben Kenobi]

I like how Ben is voting against drug legalization because of personal spite. Not because he thinks itd be better for society, not because he deeply cares about the issue of drug use, nope, because someone wronged him and now he's going to take it out on every class of person who uses drugs.

Let's see them pony up some cash to the real victims, MRT.

It's remarkably similar to how catholics treat women - they can't be trusted and thats why they're 2nd class citizens in the church.

Yawn. It's unsurprising that a porn star would hate the Catholic church.

[Ben Kenobi]

You're putting millions of people in cages for not following your orders

They are already in little cages that dope has put them in.

You didn't clean up after me, I cleaned up after you

Not you personally, but other users, yes.

God made pot, we made paint thinner. And I've never said people should get state benefits to get high.

Uh, that's, really your argument? Does Pot grow naturally the way it's cultivated and grown?

If you oppose state subsidies then you oppose medical marijuana.

Thats right, if people like you didn't care if others got high it would be legal and we wouldn't be having this argument. It is medicine and you want to put sick people in cages for using it.

People want it so they can get high.

Pot is not a powerful drug

Using it to get high is abuse, not use. It should remain a scheduled drug and should be controlled in the same fashion.

You're not Taliban Ben for wanting dope illegal, you're a Taliban for thinking everyone is obliged to obey the god in you.

So where's the restitution, Berz? Where are the dealers gonna pay for all the folks they've put on rehab, for all the crime and property damage inflicted on innocent people by the drug trade?

They want to go legal - when are they gonna pay back to the community what they've stolen?

Think about it, you said people should be put in cages for altering their perceptions of life.

I said they are already in cages that they have built themselves because they've given dope control over their lives.

How did you come to acquire ownership rights over everyone else?

How did you get the right to strip me of my property?

I never stole from you and you're no better than the thieves who stole your freedom - you stole everyone's freedom, thats far worse than stealing a snowblower.

You gonna write me a check for a blower? No? Well then. I guess then there's no point in supporting dope legalization because you don't want the legal responsibilities associated with a legitimate industry. In the real world, if you were caught stealing from someone else in order to finance your business, you'd be serving hard time, and your precious dope would get confiscated to pay the victims.

They have a right to get high, you dont have a right to cage them for doing it.

They do not have the right to steal from me to finance their dope enterprise! What part of this aren't you getting, Berz?

Dope is private property

So is a snowblower. Do you believe that Dope users are justified in stealing from their neighbors to finance their addiction?

You're bearing false witness again, you know a "few" dopeheads who stole, there are millions out there who dont steal.

Still doesn't justify the ones who did steal from others to finance their habit.

Freedom is important to me

Nope. Dope > Freedom. Dope comes first, everything else second.

, and you have volunteered to put millions of people in cages for exercising their freedom.

Millions of people are already in cages because of their desire for Dope.

Now, if there is a judgement day and we're standing before the pearly gates being held accountable for our actions, you will see millions of people accusing you of the crime of hurting them and your defense will be someone hurt you. Wont they also be held accountable, but your victims number in the millions. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes.

No, I remember the verse that condemns people to hell for putting millstones around the necks of others. Do you really believe God will look kindly on your dope advocacy here?

You are blaming the innocent, you blame other people because someone stole your property

I blame dopeheads because dopeheads stole my property. You gonna replace the cell phone they took too?

Thats racism Ben, you're judging people based on their skin color.

It''s racism to state that black people have treated me well?

I dont support licenses

Fine then, state that you oppose gay marriage and I'll believe you. I think you're just full of ****.

[Berzerker]

It actually was the dealer who stole from us to fund his little enterprise, not the clients.

But you dont blame capitalists? And it was one guy? This is all about one guy? You didn't even tell the truth about that. Bearing false witness

If dope dealers are getting absolved, then I want some restitution from the dealers for what was stolen. They've got the money. If a legal business stole from others, they would be taken to court and they would have to pay restitution.

There's that irony again, you made the business illegal and now you're complaining how you cant get restitution because its illegal.

They are already in little cages that dope has put them in.

We live our lives in chains and never know we have the key... Freedom includes sitting in a cage, freedom does not mean you get to put millions of people in your cages.

Not you personally, but other users, yes.

So you didn't tell the truth about dopeheads.

Uh, that's, really your argument? Does Pot grow naturally the way it's cultivated and grown?

If you oppose state subsidies then you oppose medical marijuana.

The state taxes pot, Ben... Colorado is making $$$. And why am I to blame for what the state is doing? You did that with the licensing nonsense too.

People want it so they can get high.

So? They want booze too. They want painkillers, tobacco, they want all sorts of stuff. It aint your business.

Using it to get high is abuse, not use. It should remain a scheduled drug and should be controlled in the same fashion.

You're abusing the language

So where's the restitution, Berz? Where are the dealers gonna pay for all the folks they've put on rehab, for all the crime and property damage inflicted on innocent people by the drug trade?

No drug dealer put anyone in rehab, the state does that. And where's the restitution for banning drugs? The body count from the drug war surpassed legalization long ago, homicide rates doubled under both alcohol prohibition and Nixon and Reagan's drug wars.

How did you get the right to strip me of my property?

What are you talking about? You're stealing property and freedom from others.

You gonna write me a check for a blower? No? Well then. I guess then there's no point in supporting dope legalization because you don't want the legal responsibilities associated with a legitimate industry. In the real world, if you were caught stealing from someone else in order to finance your business, you'd be serving hard time, and your precious dope would get confiscated to pay the victims.

I didn't steal your snowblower

They do not have the right to steal from me to finance their dope enterprise! What part of this aren't you getting, Berz?

I never said they did

So is a snowblower. Do you believe that Dope users are justified in stealing from their neighbors to finance their addiction?

You said it was a dealer financing his business

Nope. Dope > Freedom. Dope comes first, everything else second.

Dope is freedom

Millions of people are already in cages because of their desire for Dope.

And you dont have the key

No, I remember the verse that condemns people to hell for putting millstones around the necks of others. Do you really believe God will look kindly on your dope advocacy here?

God made it, not me... I will have accusers waiting for me, but I wont have millions of people I put in cages.

I blame dopeheads because dopeheads stole my property. You gonna replace the cell phone they took too?

You said it was a dealer and not his clients...and why am I responsible for replacing your property?

It''s racism to state that black people have treated me well?

No, its racism to blame black people for crimes other blacks commit.

Fine then, state that you oppose gay marriage and I'll believe you. I think you're just full of ****.

Why should I oppose gay marriage? I dont oppose marriage, I oppose licenses.

[Ben Kenobi]

But you dont blame capitalists? And it was one guy? This is all about one guy? You didn't even tell the truth about that. Bearing false witness

The guy was responsible for distributing dope in the neighborhood. There was a rash of thefts. My dad caught him once and reported him, but nothing was done. So they targeted my family.

The snowblower was taken, lots of tools - my mother's jewelery, etc. They stole a lot of things from my family. Some stuff that could never be replaced.

This was just one incident, I had other run-ins with different users that stole from me.