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    Supreme Court rules in favor of public legislative prayers

    A divided Supreme Court, led by Justice Anthony Kennedy, said on Monday that the town of Greece, N.Y., can begin its town meetings with a religious prayer, delivered almost exclusively by Christian clergy.

    The ruling had been long-anticipated and widely debated since case arguments were heard last November.

    Officially, the Supreme Court ruled in a 5-4 decision to overturn a lower court ruling in Town of Greece v. Galloway, with the Court’s conservative leaning Justices voting to overturn the prayer restriction established by the lower court.

    Justice Kennedy said the town’s prayer practice does not violate the Establishment Clause under the First Amendment.

    “The town of Greece does not violate the First Amend*ment by opening its meetings with prayer that comports with our tradition and does not coerce participation by nonadherents. The judgment of the U. S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit is reversed,” Kennedy said.

    Kennedy said that, “the prayer in this case has a permissible ceremonial purpose. It is not an uncon*stitutional establishment of religion.”

    “The inclusion of a brief, ceremonial prayer as part of a larger exercise in civic recognition suggests that its purpose and effect are to acknowledge religious leaders and the institutions they represent rather than to exclude or coerce nonbelievers,” he said.

    The decision was the first time since 1983 that the Supreme Court considered the constitutionality of legislative prayers. In that case, Marsh v. Chambers, the Supreme Court considered a challenge to the Nebraska legislature’s practice of employing a Presbyterian minister, who lead the legislature in prayer for 16 years, and concluded that such prayers did not violate the Establishment Clause.

    In 1999, the town of Greece — population 94,000 — in the state of New York instituted the practice of beginning its town meetings with a religious prayer, delivered almost exclusively by Christian clergy selected by a town employee from a list lacking non-Christian faiths.

    Two residents in the town, Susan Galloway and Linda Stephens, objected to these prayers offered at the start of the local town board sessions. They felt that the prayer sessions violated the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause, which says that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” The case made its way to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals, which sided with Galloway and Stephens in holding that the heavy Christian influence of the prayers unconstitutionally violated the Establishment Clause.

    The interpretation of the Establishment Clause, however, has long been a contentious issue at the Supreme Court, with controversies ranging from the display of the 10 Commandments outside courthouses to prayers in public schools.

    In Town of Greece, Galloway and Stephens urged the Supreme Court to hold that the prayer practice “puts coercive pressure on citizens to participate in the prayers.” The town of Greece, however, wanted the Court to adhere to the Marsh precedent and uphold the town’s prayer practice.
    http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2...ative-prayers/

    Hmm, hard to see how it's not a coercive pressure really. The bit about 'comports with our tradition' seems a bit of a kick in the face to a multi-religious society too.

  • #2
    Does the town of Greece, NY have a mountain of unpaid debts by any chance?

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    • #3
      I'd like to give a special prayer of thanks to Satan for this ruling.
      Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
      "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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      • #4
        I'm glad the Supreme Court is tackling the tough issues.

        At least they didn't declare corporations to have a higher degree of personhood... and didn't declare that real people aren't real people because they aren't corporations.

        So that's something.


        Also, religion has no place in government... or anywhere else in public life. We don't care about the invisible people you believe in. Keep it to yourself, in the privacy of your own home.

        This court is terrible.

        Here's hoping Scalia and Thomas (in particular) have brain aneurysms
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #5
          Showing, once again, that the five right wing justices don't belong on the court.
          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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          • #6
            Right wingers don't belong anywhere... except an asylum.
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sava View Post
              Right wingers don't belong anywhere... except an asylum.
              Why do you hate people who live in asylums ?
              Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

              ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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              • #8
                Wow intolerant atheist fascists are against public prayer!
                Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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                • #9
                  Wow intolerant atheist fascists want ben to kick his child molestation habit!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by AAAAAAAAH! View Post
                    Wow intolerant atheist fascists want ben to kick his child molestation habit!
                    I know. We're horrible!
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sava View Post
                      Right wingers don't belong anywhere... except an asylum.
                      What did Jagr or Gartner ever do to you?!
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                      • #12
                        Wow intolerant atheist fascists want ben to kick his child molestation habit


                        Looks like I nailed it in one. That was like, what, 10 seconds?
                        Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                        "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ColdWizard View Post
                          What did Jagr or Gartner ever do to you?!
                          To us, it is the BEAST.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                            Wow intolerant atheist fascists are against public prayer being imposed on them!!!!
                            Whoda thunk ?


                            How's your 'toleration' of alternative viewpoints going ?


                            You know, by Protestant historians, for instance ?


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                            Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                            ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post


                              Looks like I nailed it in one. That was like, what, 10 seconds?
                              premature ejaculation does not make molesting children ok, you sicko.
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