Americans forced to take pictures of gays getting married

[DinoDoc]

I'm mainly just curious at this point if there's only one wedding photographer in all of New Mexico.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm mainly just curious at this point if there's only one wedding photographer in all of New Mexico.

I'm intrigued by how the New Mexico court contorted itself to prove that photography was not 'expression', and conveniently exclude photographers, bakers and florists from first amendment protections. Seems like an unenforceable provision.

If the photographer were to brand herself as a 'wedding historian', and produced 'wedding packages', that included a record of the wedding festivities, including a photo and captions, would that still not be considered 'expression'?

[Bereta_Eder]

Wait a minute, the constitution says one is free to exercise one's religion but then forbits people from executing one another?
Just messing with you Ben.
Ok, we don't see eye to eye. I leave you to your compatriots

[DinoDoc]

A photographer cannot legally be required to take pictures that are contrary to her Christian faith.

A) That's apparently not true. B) The issue here seems to be that she was too honest in turning them down. If she had simply said it was due to a schedule conflict, I doubt a court case could have been filed.

[Ben Kenobi]

A) That's apparently not true.

First amendment makes no distinction between photographers. Amendment > New Mexico law where they conflict.

B) The issue here seems to be that she was too honest in turning them down. If she had simply said it was due to a schedule conflict, I doubt a court case could have been filed.

The law is so poorly worded to be unenforceable. The first sign is when they carve out convenient 'exceptions' for first amendment protections that have no bearing in constitutional law.

The best way to challenge this law would be to challenge the 'expression' provisions. In this example, a photographer putting together a 'wedding packet', with included captions. Is such not expression?

[Imran Siddiqui]

B) The issue here seems to be that she was too honest in turning them down. If she had simply said it was due to a schedule conflict, I doubt a court case could have been filed.

Well, let's be fair, that's been the case for refusal to serve based on race, religion, etc, etc. for a while.

[DinoDoc]

Well, let's be fair, that's been the case for refusal to serve based on race, religion, etc, etc. for a while.

How does that conflict with what you quoted?

[Imran Siddiqui]

It... doesn't?

I thought that was clear.

[Kidlicious]

Ah so you mean they're not allowed to offer a service as a wedding photographer and then to discriminate against gay couples?

This is the way people who don't respect freedom tell the story. As has already been stated, why don't they simply get someone to take the pictures who wants to?

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

I don't know what profit there is in railing against the tyranny of the majority. It's not going anywhere.

[Sava]

I don't know what profit there is in railing against the tyranny of the majority. It's not going anywhere.

Because restricting your consumer base to an extreme minority... that's business 101

[kentonio]

Ah, here comes Kentonio rolling along. The whole point of owning your own business is that you get to choose who you want to work for and how much business you take on. But of course, why should I be surprised when a 'conservative' doesn't understand entrepreneurship?

Shut up. Seriously, if you want to play your boring little troll game with someone, feel free to try and do so with one of the few people here who don't have you on ignore already. I'm not interested in anything you have to say.

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

Because restricting your consumer base to an extreme minority... that's business 101

I'm speaking to Kid in Conservative. You should be able to guess what my position is by now, but others already have asserting that part covered.

[kentonio]

This is the way people who don't respect freedom tell the story. As has already been stated, why don't they simply get someone to take the pictures who wants to?

Because it's never that simple, and a quick glance at history should tell you that. What happens when you're born gay in an area where no businesses want to provide services to gay people? Do you not also think that kind of environment might go some long way to feeding into a culture of discrimination and hate against homosexuals? Hell it did with blacks for long enough.

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

In other words, much as you might find this case unfair on the face of it, Kid, it is foolish and callous to dismiss the context of the unfairness it attempts to address. That context was not invented by Al Gore to make money.