downsizing US military

[Serb]

I'm sure they found the rapid destruction of the Kwantung Army alarming, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't as scary as suddenly losing contact with a major industrial city and subsequently discovering that it had somehow become a giant hole in the ground. And then having that happen again.

That was alarming for sure, but they have already faced the firebombing of Tokyo with WAY more devastating consequences both in terms of destruction and human life loss. But they didn't surrender after Tokyo. The consequences of contamination were not known to them yet, so there was no big difference for them how exactly your city is burnt to the ground - with a single bomb or with a thousands of them.

[100% Wolf]

Of course. I'm not saying Japanese worried about Soviet amphibious invasion to Japan.
But it seems you fail to understand that Japan islands was just a heartland of the Japanese Empire. They occupied China and held a huge army there.


Why do you think one million of Japanese troops were not relocated to Japan from China to defend the heartland in face of the American invasion? 'Cause China was vital for the Empire. Firebombings and nuking of Japanese cities on one hand and loss of China and Quantung army on the other hand made any further resistance futile.

The home islands were their actual country instead of a colonial adventure and the armies in China could do ****-all to help protect the homeland.

BUT, if for Japanese surrender meant death in concentration camps, if their enemy openly stated he wages the war of extermination, I can assure you - the Japanese would have never surrendered.

So the Russians certainly could have surrendered to the Americans who had no intent of exterminating slavs?

[Sava]

Serb is trying to have it both ways.

[100% Wolf]

YOU have asked for that, f*ckers.

We never asked for the Russians to prop up monstrous dictatorships all over the world including in North Korea. The sufferings of people who are born in prison camps in North Korea and spend their entire lives there because the government doesn't like someone in their family is on your head.

[Felch]

Why do you think one million of Japanese troops were not relocated to Japan from China to defend the heartland in face of the American invasion?

Because America sank nearly ten million tons of Japanese naval and merchant ships. It's hard to transport a million men clinging to flotsam.

[Felch]

So the Russians certainly could have surrendered to the Americans who had no intent of exterminating slavs?

And if they had, they'd be a lot better off today.

[100% Wolf]

It's Russia's fault people live lives like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Dong-hyuk

Shin Dong-hyuk was born in Kaechon internment camp ("Camp #14"), a slave labor camp where prisoners usually stay for life and die by age 45. He was born from an arranged marriage of two prisoners, who were allowed to sleep together for a few nights a year as a reward for good work.[5][6] Shin rarely saw his father, who lived elsewhere in the camp, and lived with his mother until he was 12.[5] According to Shin, he saw his mother as a competitor for their insufficient food rations,[6] and consequently had no bond of affection with his parents or brother.[7] The North Korean government officials and camp guards told him he was imprisoned because his parents had committed crimes against the state, and that he had to work hard and always obey the guards; otherwise he would be punished or executed.[8] Shin experienced considerable violence in the camp,[9] and witnessed dozens of executions every year.[8] Part of Shin's right middle finger was cut off by his supervisor as punishment for accidentally breaking a sewing machine.[10] He witnessed adult prisoners and children beaten every day,[11][12] and many prisoners dying of starvation, illness, torture and work accidents.[8] He learned to survive by any means, such as through eating rats, frogs, and insects, and reporting on fellow inmates for rewards.

Seriously, **** Russia

[Felch]

Surely US INSISTED on Soviet participation in the war with Japan only because they were good Samaritans who wanted to provide Soviet Union with more space for establishing friendly socialists regimes in Asia, not for the purposes of saving American lives.

I think it had more to do with Soviet loving pinkos in the State Department.

[Patroklos]

Who told you he meant Moscow-Stalingrad line?
I've read the full analysis. It's quite detailed and realistic and its main idea - "Mr. Prime-Minister you are asking us to do an impossible thing". It's translation of the original documents to Russian:

http://militera.lib.ru/research/rzheshevsky1/01.html#

But I can't find the English text.

p.s. It seems you stupid Yankees will never understand what kind of war it was for us. Hitler could won only in one case - all Russians are dead. That was a war of total extermination. Nuked Moscow wouldn't change a thing for us, 'cause surrender was not an option, you moron.

That must be news to the 5.7 million Soviet POWs of that war, as well as the millions of collaborators.

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

I just want to mention that Russians are tough. That's a major subtext of Serb's trolling here, and the point ought to be conceded - it's pretty completely proven.

Sorry to be a wet blanket.

[Sava]

I just want to mention that Russians are tough.

There's nothing tough about murder, rape, pillaging, unprovoked aggression. Russians are pussies. You can tell by the way they play hockey.

[100% Wolf]

Being morally callous isn't the same thing as being tough.

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

There's nothing tough about murder, rape, pillaging, unprovoked aggression.

That's only evidence that Russians are bad enemies - something they will also gladly profess.

[Sava]

That's only evidence that Russians are bad enemies - something they will also gladly profess.

Perhaps.

I've simply seen no evidence that Russian toughness exists. They are just a large country that has been historically difficult to invade due to terrain and weather.

The snow in Russia is tougher than the people.

[Serb]

That must be news to the 5.7 million Soviet POWs of that war,

Out of whom 3/4 died in nazi camps and the rest survived only because they were liberated by Russians.

as well as the millions of collaborators.

Yeah, right! Why not tens of millions?
There are always some motherf*ckers who collaborate with the enemy. So what? You do know what those collaborators did with the civilians? Would you burn a hundred of children alive to save your own life?