downsizing US military

[Hauldren Collider]

The only line that matters:



12x the trucks

US would have destroyed the USSR's conventional military several times over.

I don't think they would have been a pushover.

[regexcellent]

Soviet submarines were deathtraps and the Soviet navy was at best a coastal defense force in the Baltic and Black Seas.

The USSR depended on lend-lease trucks for the entire war and probably would have collapsed without them. It's important to note also that almost all of the Soviet post-war automotive industry was based on poorly copied reverse-engineered US vehicles received as lend lease, made with equipment stolen from Germany and Czechoslovakia.

The Soviet military was incompetent and grossly wasteful on a massive scale in World War II. Just look at the ****ing Finnish Winter War where they lost hundreds of thousands of men trying to conquer a tiny peaceful little country which didn't pose even the slightest threat to them. The losses were mostly due to awful tactics, an incompetent officer corps, poorly trained illiterate conscripts, and the dual system of command with political commissars.

[Serb]

'CHURCHILL'S "UNTHINKABLE" WAR'

May I add to your fascinating report (October 1) about Churchill's contingency plan for a possible conflict with the Soviet Union after VE Day?The diary of Sir Alan Brooke, then Chief of the Imperial General Staff, noted on May 24, 1945, that he had spent the evening going "carefully through the [Joint] Planners' report on the possibility of taking on Russia should trouble arise ..." He went on: "We were instructed to carry out this investigation. The idea is, of course, fantastic and the chance of success quite impossible. There is no doubt that from now onwards Russia is all-powerful in Europe." On May 31, he recorded that the Chiefs of Staff, at their meeting that morning, had become more convinced than ever that the idea was "unthinkable".A decade later he recalled (Notes on My Life): "Winston had come to us expressing his anxiety at seeing "that Russian bear sprawled over Europe" and instructing us to examine from the military point of view the possibility of driving him back to Russia before the Americans and ourselves demobilised our forces!"According to Brooke, the military chiefs concluded that "the best we could hope for was to drive the Russians back to about the same line the Germans had reached. And then what? Were we to remain mobilised indefinitely to hold them there?"

Dr JULIAN LEWIS MP
House of Commons
London SW1

http://www.julianlewis.net/letters-in-the-press/3186:churchills-unthinkable-war-95

[Serb]

Operation Unthinkable

[Serb]

Operation Unthinkable - Even With Nuclear Weapons Western Powers Had No way to Free Eastern Europe by Force of Arms

[pchang]

Operation Unthinkable - Even With Nuclear Weapons Western Powers Had No way to Free Eastern Europe by Force of Arms

So you agree they needed freeing?

[regexcellent]

The Soviets were more willing to throw lives away to keep other countries under their heels in deprivation and slavery.

[Sava]

Be fair, the French have a real carrier, when it isn't stuck in port for repairs. But they're the only ones.

I don't even consider France to be a real country.

[Sava]

The Soviet navy was always terrible. They had OK submarines but nothing near as advanced as ours. But their surface fleet was and is pathetic. Russia also has basically no strategically located ports--all of them are capable of being bottled up at choke points. Even Vladivistok can be bottled up in the Sea of Japan.

You are forgetting the caterpillar drive.

[Hauldren Collider]

You are forgetting the caterpillar drive.

That movie was the ****ing best.

[DinoDoc]

I'm curious how well this will go over in an election year when he asks Congress to vote on it.

I'm guessing this won't happen now. Yes?

[100% Wolf]

"the best we could hope for was to drive the Russians back to about the same line the Germans had reached. And then what? Were we to remain mobilised indefinitely to hold them there?"

Hahaha. If Hitler could have nuked Moscow and Stalingrad he would have won for sure.

[Sava]

That movie was the ****ing best.

[Serb]

Hahaha. If Hitler could have nuked Moscow and Stalingrad he would have won for sure.

Who told you he meant Moscow-Stalingrad line?
I've read the full analysis. It's quite detailed and realistic and its main idea - "Mr. Prime-Minister you are asking us to do an impossible thing". It's translation of the original documents to Russian:

http://militera.lib.ru/research/rzheshevsky1/01.html#

But I can't find the English text.

p.s. It seems you stupid Yankees will never understand what kind of war it was for us. Hitler could won only in one case - all Russians are dead. That was a war of total extermination. Nuked Moscow wouldn't change a thing for us, 'cause surrender was not an option, you moron.

[PLATO]

'cause surrender was not an option, you moron.

Yeah...it wasn't for the Japanese either...oh wait....