Obama: 1in 5 women have been raped in the US

[notyoueither]

Why don't you show me where feminists have claimed that sex-based oppression is the only form of oppression that exists and that men are never oppressed on the basis of class, race, or anything else?

They do say some strange things.

fm http://antimisandry.com/feminist-mis...tes-20106.html
"And let's put one lie to rest for all time: the lie that men are oppressed, too, by sexism--the lie that there can be such a thing as 'men's liberation groups.' Oppression is something that one group of people commits against another group, specifically because of a 'threatening' characteristic shared by the latter group--skin, color, sex or age, etc. The oppressors are indeed ****ED UP by being masters, but those masters are not OPPRESSED. Any master has the alternative of divesting himself of sexism or racism--the oppressed have no alternative--for they have no power but to fight. In the long run, Women's Liberation will of course free men--but in the short run it's going to cost men a lot of privilege, which no one gives up willingly or easily. Sexism is NOT the fault of women--kill your fathers, not your mothers".
-- Robin Morgan

Robin Morgan is/was not some fringe person either. She's been an editor of Ms. for a very long time.

I find the idea that no men are oppressed by sexism to be very strange. Let's start with men who feel the need to marry and have families to fit in with society. True, probably less common now, but it sort of gives the lie to the proposal that men cannot be oppressed by sexism.

[Kidlicious]

A young woman wanted to testify to congress about an issue she felt strongly about. You joined in calling her a slut and a whore. You're a ****ing misogynist like that ***** Limbaugh.

No. She's just another person petitioning the government to get subsidies from the taxpayers. I regard all such people as evil doers. The fact that she wants it for birth control, and that slutwalk is a feminist ritual makes it fitting that I called her a slut. Refer to my already given reason why that's not mysoginy. But I already know you won't stop calling me a mysogynist, because you're a liar.

Who said it was you idiot? Or in your head are people only capable of being oppressed if they're being murdered en masse? Women used to suffer through horrendous levels of sexual and physical abuse, and if it was the husband beating or raping the wife, then that was just a-ok with the authorities. That was true until only a few decades ago.

Feminists, that's who compare middle class houses to concentration camps even though work envirinments for men are often times more like them. Only a whiner would compare being a housewife to being in a concentrstion camp while men work in coal mines.

Maybe because men still have such a prominent role in society that they don't need people standing up and fighting their corner at every turn? What next, are you going to start whining because we don't have lots of politicians speaking out about white peoples rights? Seriously, grow some ****ing balls. There actually are a few issues like fathers rights were there probably should be more people speaking out, but when you rant on like a ****ing crazy bastard like this, no-one is going to listen to your crap.

I believe all people should have a voice in govt, even white people I dare say. Seriously, you're calling ME the bigot?

Yes, despite us repeatedly telling you you're free to talk about anything you want (and we're equally free to think you're a crazy old misogynist) that somehow means we're 'trying to stop you speaking'. Ok...

You don't think I'm a mysogynist. Calling me one is an attempt to shut me up.

Men have endless opportunities to talk about anything the hell they want, be that at college or anywhere else. Who exactly are these secret forces that are supposedly hell bent on destroying you and trampling on your freedom of speech? If you're trying to sound less like a lunatic, it's really not working for you.

NOW, Ms Magazine, Gloria Steinem etc.. Vitually all feminists say that men who either have a public forum to discuss men's issues or want one, who reject feminism, are just angry white males who want women to be raped etc... This is no secret. You're just acting like it is.

[rah]

Actually I feel sorry for you if you spend ANY time reading NOW, Ms Magazine, or Gloria Steinem. They're written for women. What do you expect them to say? "MAN IS YOUR FRIEND"
It's a man's right to ignore everything written in Women's magazines. And based on this thread, best to ignore for your sanity.

Now if your argument was that there are some extremist feminists out there that would love to castrate every man on the planet, you'd have everyone here cheering you on. But to infer that all feminists agree with that is just paranoia on your part. Or that they've always had it better than men so aren't entitled to group together for seeking equity. In my opinion of course.

[Sava]

rah

Being a ****** is not limited to a specific gender.

[molly bloom]

You think I like to be subjected to your continuous crap?

I for one have no idea (happily) what your fetishes are.

[Kidlicious]

Actually I feel sorry for you if you spend ANY time reading NOW, Ms Magazine, or Gloria Steinem. They're written for women. What do you expect them to say? "MAN IS YOUR FRIEND"
It's a man's right to ignore everything written in Women's magazines. And based on this thread, best to ignore for your sanity.

Now if your argument was that there are some extremist feminists out there that would love to castrate every man on the planet, you'd have everyone here cheering you on. But to infer that all feminists agree with that is just paranoia on your part. Or that they've always had it better than men so aren't entitled to group together for seeking equity. In my opinion of course.

You severely underestimate the effect that feminism has on our society.

[rah]

And the rest of us here think you are overestimating here. And from the way this thread has gone, it looks like neither group is likely to change their mind about it.

It comes down to a matter of degree.

[Kidlicious]

And the rest of us here think you are overestimating here. And from the way this thread has gone, it looks like neither group is likely to change their mind about it.

It comes down to a matter of degree.

Maybe you should read Ms Magazine. You might change your mind if you get more educated.

[Sava]

From now on, I'm just going to use your quotes to argue against you... after all, that's what this is... you arguing with yourself.

[molly bloom]

You might change your mind if you get more educated.

With you I think surgery is indicated alas.

Either a new set of testes or a pre-frontal lobotomy.

[giblets]

This is a very serious issue that needs to be addressed.

[DinoDoc]

This is a very serious issue that needs to be addressed.

The fact Lady GaGa has a music career?

[korn469]

I don't think slate is a conservative rag and they have some issues with The Hunting Ground

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/doublex/2015/06/the_hunting_ground_a_closer_look_at_the_influential_documentary_reveals.html

[Kidlicious]

Voting is still open.

[giblets]

1 in 4 Women Experience Sex Assault on Campus

In four years of college, more than one-fourth of undergraduate women at a large group of leading universities said they had been sexually assaulted by force or when they were incapacitated, according to one of the largest studies of its kind, released Monday.

Responding to a survey commissioned by the Association of American Universities, 27.2 percent of female college seniors reported that, since entering college, they had experienced some kind of unwanted sexual contact — anything from touching to rape — carried out by incapacitation, usually due to alcohol or drugs, or by force. Nearly half of those, 13.5 percent, had experienced penetration, attempted penetration or oral sex.

The survey bolstered findings from previous studies but stands out for its sheer size — 150,000 students at 27 colleges and universities took part last spring — and for the prominence of the institutions involved, which include many of the nation’s elite campuses, including all of the Ivy League except Princeton.

Last year, President Obama convened the first White House task force on college sexual assault, part of a growing demand for colleges to acknowledge, measure and address the problem. That task force, like members of Congress and victim advocates, called on colleges to conduct rigorous “campus climate” surveys, including detailed information on the frequency of assault and harassment.

Previous studies have estimated that about one in five women are sexually assaulted while at college, though comparisons are difficult because the studies use varying definitions of sexual assault.

The new study cautioned that only 19 percent of students responded to the survey, far below the rates of some previous studies.

The A.A.U. survey found that even in the most serious assaults, those involving penetration, almost three-fourths of victims did not report the episode to anyone in authority, let alone law enforcement. The reason victims gave most often for not reporting episodes was that they did not think the episodes were serious enough to report; others said they felt ashamed, or did not think they would be taken seriously.

“This survey is significant confirmation of a major problem, and it confirms what we’ve been saying about the mind-set on campus and the reception survivors expect to encounter,” said Zoe Ridolfi-Starr, deputy director of Know Your IX, an advocacy group that fights sexual assault.

Most of the institutions in the study released their own figures from the survey, and several of the most respected ones had some of the highest rates of sexual assault by force or incapacitation for undergraduate women — 34.6 percent at Yale, 34.3 percent at the University of Michigan, and 29.2 percent at Harvard.

The findings were “profoundly troubling,” said Yale’s president, Peter Salovey. Yale’s handling of sexual assault has come under particular scrutiny in recent years, and the university has taken a number of steps to address it. Thomas Conroy, a university spokesman, said Monday that because the A.A.U. report was the first of its kind for Yale it was impossible to know whether those measures had paid off.

Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, Democrat of New York, praised the study but expressed impatience that Congress had not acted to force colleges to improve their handling of sexual assault. “How many surveys will it take before we act with the urgency these crimes demand?” she asked.

Some previous studies have focused more narrowly on rape and attempted rape, but the A.A.U. survey included much broader categories. It found that, when including acts carried out without force or incapacitation but with coercion or a lack of consent — which some colleges now define as sexual assault — one-third of senior women had experienced unwanted sexual contact during college.

John D. Foubert, a professor of higher education at Oklahoma State University who studies campus sexual assault, said he was troubled by the low response rate and by the A.A.U. study’s use of slightly different definitions from previous studies.

“This is pretty consistent with what we’ve seen before,” he said.

Across the 27 universities, men experienced much lower — but still significant — rates of sexual assault than women; 8.6 percent of male seniors said they had experienced some kind of unwanted sexual contact, including 2.9 percent who said they had experienced penetration, attempted penetration or oral sex, carried out by force or incapacitation.

Transgender students and others who do not identify as either male or female had higher rates of assault than women. Experts said this was the first large-scale study they knew of to measure the extent of the problem for transgender students.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/22/us/a-third-of-college-women-experience-unwanted-sexual-contact-study-finds.html?

Sad news indeed