Obama: 1in 5 women have been raped in the US

[Kidlicious]

I guess I'll just post this again:

Exactly what is wrong with using these survey questions to determine how many women have experienced either rape or attempted rape?

I told you they asked if anyone has ever asked you repeatedly to have sex with them and you did it even though you didn't want to. You called me a liar. I provided the link to the pdf and pointed you to Appendix C where the questions are at. Now your just lying. It's amazing really.

[100% Wolf]

I told you they asked if anyone has ever asked you repeatedly to have sex with them and you did it even though you didn't want to. You called me a liar. I provided the link to the pdf and pointed you to Appendix C where the questions are at. Now your just lying. It's amazing really.

Are you talking about this?

Yeah. That's it. Look at Appendix C

Sexual Violence includes (in addition to what has been stated)...

- showing someone porn without asking them if they want to see it.
- kissing someone in a sexual way without asking first.

Stalking includes...

- leaving unwanted messages (text, letters, phone etc...)

Violence includes...

- refusing to use a condom
- Making decisions for someone
- Keeping track of someone
- Threatening to harm yourself
- Not giving your partner money
- Acting angry so that other people are afraid
- Calling people names such as fat, slut etc...

There are some others too. This is all stuff you can be arrested for now thanks to the Violence Against Women Act.

No definition of "rape" here. Don't change the subject. Here's the actual text, if anyone wants to see for themselves how accurately Kidicious summarized it:

Sexual Violence

How many people have ever...

• exposed their sexual body parts to you, flashed you, or masturbated in front of you?

• made you show your sexual body parts to them? Remember, we are only asking about things

that you didn’t want to happen.

• made you look at or participate in sexual photos or movies?

How many people have ever...

• harassed you while you were in a public place in a way that made you feel unsafe?

• kissed you in a sexual way? Remember, we are only asking about things that you didn’t want to

happen.

• fondled or grabbed your sexual body parts?

When you were drunk, high, drugged, or

passed out and unable to consent, how

many people ever...

• had vaginal sex with you? By vaginal sex, we mean that {if female: a man or boy put his penis in

your vagina} {if male: a woman or girl made you put your penis in her vagina}?

• {if male} made you perform anal sex, meaning that they made you put your penis into their

anus?

• made you receive anal sex, meaning they put their penis into your anus?

• made you perform oral sex, meaning that they put their penis in your mouth or made you

penetrate their vagina or anus with your mouth?

• made you receive oral sex, meaning that they put their mouth on your {if male: penis} {if female:

vagina} or anus?

How many people have ever used physical

force or threats to physically harm you to

make you...

• have vaginal sex?

• {if male} perform anal sex?

• receive anal sex?

• make you perform oral sex?

• make you receive oral sex?

• put their fingers or an object in your {if female: vagina or} anus?

How many people have ever used physical force or threats of physical harm to...

• {if male} try to make you have vaginal sex with them, but sex did not happen?

• try to have {if female: vaginal} oral, or anal sex with you, but sex did not happen?

• How many people have you had vaginal, oral, or anal sex with after they pressured you by...

• doing things like telling you lies, making promises about the future they knew were untrue,

threatening to end your relationship, or threatening to spread rumors about you?

•wearing you down by repeatedly asking for sex, or showing they were unhappy?

•using their authority over you, for example, your boss or your teacher?

Stalking Tactics

How many people have ever...

• watched or followed you from a distance, or spied on you with a listening device, camera, or GPS

[global positioning system]?

• approached you or showed up in places, such as your home, workplace, or school when you didn’t

want them to be there?

• left strange or potentially threatening items for you to find?

• sneaked into your home or car and did things to scare you by letting you know they had been

there?

• left you unwanted messages? This includes text or voice messages.

• made unwanted phone calls to you? This includes hang-up calls.

• sent you unwanted emails, instant messages, or sent messages through websites like MySpace

or Facebook?

• left you cards, letters, flowers, or presents when they knew you didn’t want them to?

Expressive Aggression

How many of your romantic or sexual

partners have ever...

• acted very angry towards you in a way that seemed dangerous?

• told you that you were a loser, a failure, or not good enough?

• called you names like ugly, fat, crazy, or stupid?

• insulted, humiliated, or made fun of you in front of others?

• told you that no one else would want you?

Coercive Control

How many of your romantic or sexual

partners have ever...

• tried to keep you from seeing or talking to your family or friends?

• made decisions for you that should have been yours to make, such as the clothes you wear, things

you eat, or the friends you have?

• kept track of you by demanding to know where you were and what you were doing?

• made threats to physically harm you?

• threatened to hurt him or herself or commit suicide when he or she was upset with you?

• threatened to hurt a pet or threatened to take a pet away from you?

• threatened to hurt someone you love?

• hurt someone you love?

• {if applicable} threatened to take your children away from you?

• kept you from leaving the house when you wanted to go?

• kept you from having money for your own use?

• destroyed something that was important to you?

• said things like “If I can’t have you, then no one can”?
Control of Reproductive and Sexual Health

How many of your romantic or sexual

partners have ever...

• {if female: tried to get you pregnant when you did not want to become pregnant; if male: tried to

get pregnant when you did not want them to get pregnant} or tried to stop you from using birth

control?

• refused to use a condom when you wanted them to use one?

Physical Violence

How many of your romantic or sexual

partners have ever...

•slapped you?

•pushed or shoved you?

•hit you with a fist or something hard?

•kicked you?

•hurt you by pulling your hair?

•slammed you against something?

•tried to hurt you by choking or suffocating you?

•beaten you?

•burned you on purpose?

•used a knife or gun on you?

Nothing about "rape". "Sexual violence" is apparently not the same thing as "rape". In case it wasn't clear these aren't the questions used for the statistic you inaccurately summarized in the thread title.

[Kidlicious]

You idiot. Read every question they asked.

[Elok]

I am tempted to just quote the Kenneth Starr report here, apropos of nothing.

[Kidlicious]

Yeah making someone revieve anal sex is sexual violence not rape. Got it Clinton, err gribbler.

[100% Wolf]

You idiot. Read every question they asked.

Yeah making someone revieve anal sex is sexual violence not rape. Got it Clinton, err gribbler.

No one said it's not rape. "Sexual violence" is a broader term that includes, but is not limited to, acts that qualify as rape.

[Kidlicious]

No one said it's not rape. "Sexual violence" is a broader term that includes, but is not limited to, acts that qualify as rape.

You just made that uo.

[molly bloom]

I've essentially got you and mb on ignore since you've both made it clear you're just trying to be offensive.

Now when and where did I do that ?

If you can't stand a little bit of good humoured mockery, you shouldn't post stuff that sounds like the ramblings of a wigged out, woman hating clown.

Easy peasy.

[molly bloom]

Of course not.

Are you sure ? Because you keep putting 'feminists' as in the general term, not 'some feminists' or 'two or three feminists'. Slip of the tongue, so to speak ?

[molly bloom]

Full beard now.

Make the new selfie upside down. You'll look almost human.

[molly bloom]

I'm not going to look this up but something like 95% of male divorce lawyers and 85% of female divorce lawyers say all judges are at keast simetimes biased toward the mother.

So you're not going to look it up, but you will essentially 'MAKE IT UP' instead.

Yes, that seems to make for reliability.

[100% Wolf]

You just made that uo.

There's an entire Wikipedia article about "sexual violence" and I didn't write it. I didn't make it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence

[Kidlicious]

There's an entire Wikipedia article about "sexual violence" and I didn't write it. I didn't make it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence

The only thing we know is 12% said they had been raped. That doesn't include attempted rape or alcohol/drug facitated rape. Again, they didn't ask have you been raped.

[100% Wolf]

The only thing we know is 12% said they had been raped. That doesn't include attempted rape or alcohol/drug facitated rape. Again, they didn't ask have you been raped.

If 12% say they have been raped and another 6% say someone has attempted to rape them what is so outrageous about saying "nearly 1 in 5 women have experienced rape or attempted rape in their lifetimes"...?

[Kidlicious]

Are you sure ? Because you keep putting 'feminists' as in the general term, not 'some feminists' or 'two or three feminists'. Slip of the tongue, so to speak ?

Because feminists in whole, affect society, just like conservatives etc do.