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Originally posted by kentonio
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Stop being a ****ing ****, ken.
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"But when the precedent is set that a majority can change the rules at will on judges, that precedent will be used to change the rules on consideration of legislation, and down the road, the hard-won protections and benefits for our people’s health and welfare will be less secure." - Carl Levin
Stop being a ****ing ****, ken.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio -
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Like telling rain not to fall.Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.†- Jimmy CarterComment
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I'm totally sure the GOP wouldn't do that, ken.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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True enough.Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View PostI make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Aww bless, an Ogie and DD circle-jerk.
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Eww you watch and applaud."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.†- Jimmy CarterComment
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You both deserve some recognition when you put the effort in.Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
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If I knew Republicans were gonna get this butthurt, I would have supported removing the filibuster rule ages ago.
To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Sure this sets the precedent for the Republicans to kill whatever remains of the filibuster when they take back the Senate BUT:
1. It's not as if the filibuster ever had much effect on Republicans getting their people confirmed. Bork wasn't filibustered, Thomas wasn't filibustered (the Democrats could've stopped him that way and didn't) and the judges that were filibustered under Bush II pretty much all got through under the Gang of 14 deal.
2. **** the filibuster. If you win elections you should be able to put your policy into effect. The US Constitution has enough veto points without making it even harder to get stuff done. Westminster systems are looking more and more appealing to me for precisely this reason, in those systems if a party has a majority and bad stuff happens you can clearly point out who's to blame, while in the US system power is so divided that it's hard to know who to blame when stuff goes wrong which makes it harder to discipline politicians for doing dumb stuff via elections.
3. Does anyone seriously think that the Republicans wouldn't have nuked the filibuster the second it got in their way when they retook the Senate ANYWAY! Threats of "now we're going to do what we would've done anyway!" ring pretty hollow. Most of the Gang of 14 is gone and do you really think that there would be many Senate Republicans who'd stick out their necks to make that kind of deal if the Republicans take the Presidency and Senate in 2016?
4. Although the Republicans have a very good chance of taking the Senate in 2014, the map is terrible for them in 2016, as long as they don't have big presidential coattails in 2016 they'll lose seats then. I'd say the chance of a Republican president and Senate being elected in 2016 are pretty low.
5. This actually gives cover to red state Senate dems. Now that only a simple majority can get judges through, red state dem Senators will be able to vote against liberal judges without stopping them from being confirmed and they can make a big empty show over how moderate they are, has to be worth at least something...Stop Quoting BenComment
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BOSHKO SIGHTING
To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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The filibuster is ****ing stupid, has always been ****ing stupid, and will always be ****ing stupid.
We have a system of checks and balances. The filibuster ain't a part of that ****."My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund FreudComment
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I don't get the point either. It's like, "You can't pass a law because I'm going to stand up and read the phone book for a few days!"
Okay, I'll go ****ing play xbox and pwn some newbs until you piss and **** yourself, fall over from death, and then we'll pass the law anyways.
So like, I'll wait 2 days.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Not true. Bush II had 52 nominees blocked through the filibuster and eventually filled half of them. 20 of the Bush vacancies have been filled by Obama nominees. The Gang of 14 deal got some through, not 'almost all'. Half.Bush II pretty much all got through under the Gang of 14 dealScouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Why were you expecting that? Sitting presidents have the advantage of incumbency, which the Democrats won't have in 2016.Originally posted by DaShi View PostI'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.Comment
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