Now you see, this is homophobic, and it makes Christianity look bad, and I feel ashamed by association.

[Berzerker]

you're right, I have no dog in that fight

thats not good, I feel yer pain Brett Favre

[N35t0r]

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP QUOTING HIM

WHY

WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE HAVE HIM ON IGNORE

+1

[Ben Kenobi]

Let us make the Adam in our image, male and female were made - be fruitful and multiply.

The actual text says:

"So God created man in His own image
In the image of God he created them.
male and female he created them."

Which is exactly what Christ says. Your interpretation is incorrect.

Aint got nothing to do with polygamy or monogamy.

Then why is just one companion sufficient for Adam?

I'll need more than Paul

Ok, tell me what standard you'll consider sufficient. Otherwise this is a waste of time.

[molly bloom]

If you want a disaster - look at South Africa, where it's 1 in 4 adults. I guess they aren't using enough condoms.

You mean the same country, where, in the apartheid era which you so dearly love, they deliberately encouraged the break up of black African families to enable the government and favoured employers to take advantage of a rootless industrial and agricultural proletariat.

Where the apartheid government pursued an economic programme of support for white farmers (one of its key groups of supporters) by artificially maintaining a high price for crops and milk, either destroying surpluses or selling them abroad, allowing malnutrition, famine and diseases directly linked to poverty and malnutrition to flourish in black African communities ?

The same country which attempted to destabilize the economies of countries which dared to oppose its racist rule, which deliberately targetted with its own armed forces or its proxies (Renamo in Mozambique, Unita in Angola) the infrastructure of neighboruing countries ?

The same country which deliberately encouraged a high influx of single male workers from Malawi, Lesotho, Swaziland, Zambia, Botswana, Rhodesia/Zimbabwe and other southern African countries and allowed prostitution to flourish and accommodated these workers in single sex compounds ?


Yeah, that country. An epidemiological disaster waiting to happen in the apartheid era. And guess what ? It did.

"In the first two years since the U.S.-funded focus on abstinence," Anastasion reports, "Uganda's rate of HIV infection has nearly doubled."

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/rough/2007/07/uganda_the_cond.html

[molly bloom]

That ****ing another man the ass makes you the primary disease vector for AIDS? Again - I don't see how that's bigotry. This is epidemiology.

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No it isn't, it's only your biased opinion.

You haven't shown that the majority of people with H.I.V. or A.I.D.S. in Africa (or the rest of the world for that matter) contracted the virus which leads to A.I.D.S. through sex with a man who had engaged in unprotected anal sex with another man.

You've simply said it, as if it were true. That's not epidemiology, it's talking out of your arse.

[Elok]

If he talks out of it, it stands to reason that a penis up there would silence him. So it seems that anal sex could actually prevent the spread of at least one disease.

[Ben Kenobi]

No it isn't, it's only your biased opinion.

No, it's not my opinion. 70 percent of those who contract HIV in the US do so through ****ing men in the ass. Since only about 2 percent of the population **** other men in the ass, this means that 2 percent of the population is responsible for 70 percent of the incidence.

This alone demonstrates the linkage between AIDS and ****ing other men in the ass.

You've simply said it, as if it were true. That's not epidemiology, it's talking out of your arse.

More than half of all new HIV infections occur in gay men and other men who have sex with men (MSM), even though MSM represent only two percent of the U.S. male population.

http://www.amfar.org/facts-about-hiv-and-aids/

[DinoDoc]

[DaShi]

Geez guys. Ass****ing? You're challenging Ben on the one thing he clearly knows the most about?

[Ben Kenobi]

You mean the same country, where, in the apartheid era which you so dearly love, they deliberately encouraged the break up of black African families to enable the government and favoured employers to take advantage of a rootless industrial and agricultural proletariat.

Right, Apartheid ended in 1991. South Africa has had 22 years now to get the epidemic under control. South Africa's mismanagement is so terrible that they are the worst on the planet.

Where the apartheid government pursued an economic programme of support for white farmers (one of its key groups of supporters) by artificially maintaining a high price for crops and milk, either destroying surpluses or selling them abroad, allowing malnutrition, famine and diseases directly linked to poverty and malnutrition to flourish in black African communities ?

As opposed to the current policy of stripping land from white farmers who are productive and giving it to your friends. Black people are worse off in South Africa today - because produce has actually dropped. If there's not enough food to go around that means people starve. Is it the fault of the white people who did farm the land productively that they were stripped of their property? No.

An epidemiological disaster waiting to happen in the apartheid era. And guess what ?

Child born in 1991 is 22 now. Has known an entire life without apartheid. We should be expecting any day now for the miracle to happen, right?

It's not going to happen because of the epic mismanagement of South Africa.

[Berzerker]

The actual text says:

"So God created man in His own image
In the image of God he created them.
male and female he created them."

Which is exactly what Christ says. Your interpretation is incorrect.

I'm paraphrasing the text, why is my interpretation incorrect? You think that refers to Adam and Eve? But Eve wasn't made yet - she appears later in the story.

Then why is just one companion sufficient for Adam?

Because he didn't ask for more?

Ok, tell me what standard you'll consider sufficient. Otherwise this is a waste of time.

I already explained it, I look for commonalities in the NT to build a frame work. Stuff attributed to Jesus gets ignored if it falls outside of that structure. Paul was not speaking for Jesus when he told women to keep quiet in church.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm paraphrasing the text, why is my interpretation incorrect?

Your paraphrase distorts what is actually written in several places.

You think that refers to Adam and Eve?

Umm, yeah.

But Eve wasn't made yet - she appears later in the story.

Genesis one frames the account of creation.

That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

Did you miss this part of Genesis 2?

[Berzerker]

that was the narrator describing events in the Garden, let us make man in our image was the 6th day, you've confused the two.

and how do figure Adam and Eve were made at the same time (the 6th day) and given the instruction to be fruitful and multiply when she was created from his rib after no companion could be found from all the animals Adam named? And they weren't fruitful and did not multiply, when they did they got kicked out of the Garden. How do you explain that? Seems to me people were made on the 6th day and one of the men was taken to the Garden where Eve was created. Something happened, they attained "knowledge" and had kids and the Bible follows their lineage