Now you see, this is homophobic, and it makes Christianity look bad, and I feel ashamed by association.

[The Mad Monk]

Are you okay? You look a tad flushed.

[Ben Kenobi]

STFU, you're a disgrace. Worse you're a vile little bigot, but that's hardly a surprise to anyone.

Stating that everyone should get tested before having sex isn't bigotry in the slightest.

That's just idiotic

Why?

especially when we're talking about Africa with its extremely limited sexual health facilities. Especially ironic that you would be talking about people using sexual health services

At 1/4 it's worse than russian roulette in South Africa. I'm sure 'use a condom everytime' will be effective. Those numbers are so bad, anything outside of one partner, ever puts you at greater than even odds of contracting HIV. The only strategy that works here is stringent testing and confinement of healthy folks.

that want to close down PP and reduce even America's sexual health service provision massively.

PP does abortions. That's why I want them closed down. If PP is happy to stop doing abortions then I have no problem with them operating worldwide.

make yourself look like a damn fool every time you open your mouth about anything sex related.

Actually, this was the advice given to me by health professionals. I think I'd trust their advice.

No, I think making yourself look like a clueless ****** is clearly much higher.

I've sought more realistic goals like getting married.

[Ben Kenobi]

South Sudan: 3.1%
Kenya:6.2%
Tanzania:5.1%
Rwanda: 2.9%
Democratic Republic of Congo: Figures Unavailable.

Uganda is 7.2%. The highest rate in East Africa.

Not according to UNAIDS. Since you think condoms are an answer, why haven't they curbed the epidemic in South Africa?

[kentonio]

Stating that everyone should get tested before having sex isn't bigotry in the slightest.

I was talking about your disgusting remarks about homosexuals early, you silly man.

Why?

It's a stupid and unreasonable expectation that only makes sense to the kind of ****** who thinks the best approach to targetting teen pregancy is an abstainance program.

At 1/4 it's worse than russian roulette in South Africa. I'm sure 'use a condom everytime' will be effective. Those numbers are so bad, anything outside of one partner, ever puts you at greater than even odds of contracting HIV. The only strategy that works here is stringent testing and confinement of healthy folks.

If 'use a condom everytime' could actually be adopted, then it would obviously be effective. Encouraging their use as much as possible is absolutely essential to curtailing the spread of HIV. It's also far, far easier to do than telling people they should just stop having sex.

PP does abortions. That's why I want them closed down. If PP is happy to stop doing abortions then I have no problem with them operating worldwide.

No-one cares what you want.

I've sought more realistic goals like getting married.

Which isn't going to happen, because you're an openly bigoted and mysognyistic person, who is also fundamentally dishonest. If you're ever fortunate enough to trick some girl into going on a date though, you should immediately share your belief that she should have an AIDS test. The results will doubtless be hilarious.

[kentonio]

Not according to UNAIDS.

You linked to figures from 2009 you ******. Which still show Uganda having a higher rate than their neighbours.

Since you think condoms are an answer, why haven't they curbed the epidemic in South Africa?

New infections are declining in teenagers. Guess which age group is the one with the highest rate of condom usage?

[Ben Kenobi]

I was talking about your disgusting remarks about homosexuals early, you silly man.

That ****ing another man the ass makes you the primary disease vector for AIDS? Again - I don't see how that's bigotry. This is epidemiology.

It's a stupid an unreasonable expectation that only makes sense to the kind of ****** who thinks the best approach to targetting teen pregancy is an abstainance program.

Arguing that adults are unable to arrange matters so that they get tested before sex? Again, they aren't children. Are you suggesting that adults are unable to put aside their feelings long enough to protect themselves because they might lose the mood?

If 'use a condom everytime' could actually be adopted, then it would obviously be effective.

It's not. That's the point. They do have this already in South Africa and it's not working. It's beyond the point where it would be effective. When you have 25 percent of the population with it you need aggressive testing to make sure you know the folks who don't have it. You'd be at the point where you would expect communities themselves to fragment and create 'safe zones'. This is what you'd have to do in South Africa. Start with the least infected area and work inward.

It's also far, far easier to do than telling people they should just stop having sex.

Would you trust a condom to be sufficient protection if you knew that you had a 1 in 4 chance of contracting AIDS everytime you had sex?

Again - playing russian roulette with one round in the chamber would be safer.

No-one cares what you want.

Then perhaps you should stop speculating on my motivations.

Which isn't going to happen, because you're an openly bigoted and mysognyistic person, who is also fundamentally dishonest. If you're ever fortunate enough to trick some girl into going on a date though, you should immediately share your belief that she should have an AIDS test. The results will doubtless be hilarious

More likely I get married than crowned "King of the Poly Idiots". I've given up on that goal. You're a strong contender.

[Ben Kenobi]

You linked to figures from 2009 you ******. Which still show Uganda having a higher rate than their neighbours.

2010, actually, and they show that Uganda's rates are within the margin of error for the region. Especially given that the largest nation nearby lacks any numbers whatsoever, demonstrates that we should be cautious as to the accuracy.

New infections are declining in teenagers. Guess which age group is the one with the highest rate of condom usage?

Uh huh. Source?

[rah]

I envision a future where
Ben is asking his perspective bride to get a HIV test before they get married. And when she responds that it won't be necessary because she's a virgin, he's tells her that he doesn't trust her and she has to get tested anyway.
It won't end well. But at least she will realize why he's still a virgin.

[kentonio]

That ****ing another man the ass makes you the primary disease vector for AIDS? Again - I don't see how that's bigotry. This is epidemiology.

You're a ****.

It's not. That's the point. They do have this already in South Africa and it's not working. It's beyond the point where it would be effective. When you have 25 percent of the population with it you need aggressive testing to make sure you know the folks who don't have it. You'd be at the point where you would expect communities themselves to fragment and create 'safe zones'. This is what you'd have to do in South Africa. Start with the least infected area and work inward.

Learn to read. Condom usage is highest amongst under 25's, and thats the same group seeing a decline in infections.

Would you trust a condom to be sufficient protection if you knew that you had a 1 in 4 chance of contracting AIDS everytime you had sex?

People are going to have sex with each other. It's a basic human need, and is going to happen regardless. Asking them to use a basic precaution is not an unreasonable request, especially in a society suffering huge rates of HIV infection.

Of course you hate condoms because of a stupid religious interpretation, facts and evidence have nothing to do with it.

Then perhaps you should stop speculating on my motivations.

Your motives are utterly transparent. You're not nearly bright enough to be mysterious.

More likely I get married than crowned "King of the Poly Idiots". I've given up on that goal.

You're more likely to get struck by lightning than you are to get married as long as you continue to act like an inhuman *****. Then again strange things do happen occasionally, maybe you'll meet a girl with severe mental problems that match your own.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben is asking his perspective bride to get a HIV test before they get married. And when she responds that it won't be necessary because she's a virgin, he's tells her that he doesn't trust her and she has to get tested anyway.

It won't end well. But at least she will realize why he's still a virgin.

I'm not quite sure why a Catholic would denigrate waiting until marriage.

[kentonio]

2010, actually, and they show that Uganda's rates are within the margin of error for the region. Especially given that the largest nation nearby lacks any numbers whatsoever, demonstrates that we should be cautious as to the accuracy.

You mean in the top right corner where it quite clearly says 'Estimated adult (15-49) HIV prevalence (%) for countries in 2009'?

and they show that Uganda's rates are within the margin of error for the region. Especially given that the largest nation nearby lacks any numbers whatsoever, demonstrates that we should be cautious as to the accuracy.

They were higher in your figures, and they're higher in the latest figures. The only reason you want them to be inaccurate is because you hate condoms. You're an ******* basically.

Uh huh. Source?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_South_Africa

[rah]

I can't believe that someone who thinks that entering into a formalized relationship that is based on trust would think that's it a good idea to question "that trust" as part of the process. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

[regexcellent]

Nothing like nearly a whole page of ignored posts to tell me I shouldn't read this thread...

[rah]

YES, why should you know anything about a thread before you post in it.

[Ben Kenobi]

Learn to read. Condom usage is highest amongst under 25's, and thats the same group seeing a decline in infections.

"Gribbler's ass" is not a source.

People are going to have sex with each other. It's a basic human need

I asked. Would you believe a condom was suffiicent protection if you knew you had a 1 in 4 chance of contracting HIV? Answer the question, please.

Asking them to use a basic precaution is not an unreasonable request, especially in a society suffering huge rates of HIV infection.

Asking them to get tested is not?

Of course you hate condoms because of a stupid religious interpretation, facts and evidence have nothing to do with it.

Personally, if my chances were 1/4, and I knew I was clean, I would be insisting on testing. Perhaps that makes me an irrational religionista, but that makes me an irrational religionista without AIDS.

Your motives are utterly transparent. You're not nearly bright enough to be mysterious.

Which explains why you still misinterpreted them.

You're more likely to get struck by lightning than you are to get married as long as you continue to act like an inhuman *****.

It's inhuman to insist on getting tested before having sex?

Then again strange things do happen occasionally, maybe you'll meet a girl with severe mental problems that match your own.

Yeah. Catholic!