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  • Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
    This sounds like an argument to change US law.
    Are you really claiming that you belive that if a US law is stupid, it should be changed ?
    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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    • Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
      Crazy yanks



      Workers at the Volkswagen plant in Chattanooga, Tenn., had voted against joining the United Automobile Workers.


      Edit: beaten by two minutes
      It's stupid but Republicans have created a massive amount of rules and regulations all designed to under mine worker rights. They do this for obvious political reasons.
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      • Originally posted by Dinner View Post
        It's stupid but Republicans have created a massive amount of rules and regulations all designed to under mine worker rights. They do this for obvious political reasons.
        In your view, why would the GOP be opposed to a worker's council sans the UAW?
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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        • Originally posted by Dinner View Post
          It's stupid but Republicans have created a massive amount of rules and regulations all designed to under mine worker rights. They do this for obvious political reasons.
          Well, american workers actually needs protection. You can probably find more stupid workers in North Korea ect. but in the civilized world the american worker takes the prize.
          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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          • Originally posted by Dinner View Post
            It's stupid but Republicans have created a massive amount of rules and regulations all designed to under mine worker rights. They do this for obvious political reasons.
            Jesus you really are wrong every time.

            This law exists because unions don't want competition in this racket, the UAW and anti labor lawyers already saying before the vote that they would sue if a workers council was created without them. In fact even if Tennessee lawmakers get the law repealed the UAW has vowed to take it to the NLRB to have the worker councils prevented.

            The only issue here is the power of the UAW, it's either them or nothing as far as the UAW is concerned.
            Last edited by Patroklos; February 20, 2014, 19:37.
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            • The UAW's take on events...
              UAW appeals outside interference in union representation election for Chattanooga Volkswagen workers



              02/21/14

              DETROIT, Mich. – The UAW filed an appeal (“objections”) with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) today related to the interference by politicians and outside special interest groups in the union representation election held last week at Volkswagen’s Chattanooga plant.

              A firestorm of interference from politicians and special interest groups threatening the economic future of the plant occurred just before and during three days of voting in an election supervised by the NLRB. Workers voted narrowly to reject representation, with a slim 44 vote swing. The objections detail a coordinated and widely publicized coercive campaign conducted by politicians and outside organizations to deprive Volkswagen workers of their federally protected right to join a union.

              The campaign included publicly-announced and widely disseminated threats by elected officials that state-financed incentives would be withheld if workers exercised their protected right to form a union.

              “It’s essentially saying, ‘If you unionize, it’s going to hurt your economy. Why? Because I’m going to make sure it does,’” said Volkswagen worker Lauren Feinauer. “I hope people see it for the underhanded threat that it is.”

              The campaign also included threats by U.S. Sen. Bob Corker related to promises of a new product line awarded to the plant if workers voted against UAW representation.

              The objections state, “Senator Corker’s conduct was shameful and undertaken with utter disregard for the rights of the citizens of Tennessee and surrounding states that work at Volkswagen. … The clear message of the campaign was that voting for the union would result in stagnation for the Chattanooga plant, with no new product, no job security, and withholding of state support for its expansion.”

              “It’s an outrage that politically motivated third parties threatened the economic future of this facility and the opportunity for workers to create a successful operating model that that would grow jobs in Tennessee,” said UAW President Bob King. “It is extraordinary interference in the private decision of workers to have a U.S. senator, a governor and leaders of the state legislature threaten the company with the denial of economic incentives and workers with a loss of product. We’re committed to standing with the Volkswagen workers to ensure that their right to have a fair vote without coercion and interference is protected.”

              An affirmative vote for union representation at the Volkswagen plant would have led to the establishment of a works council that would have been the first such model of labor-management relations in the United States.

              The NLRB will investigate the election conduct and determine whether there are grounds to set aside the election results and hold a new election for Volkswagen workers.
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              • Originally posted by Patroklos View Post
                Jesus you really are wrong every time.

                This law exists because unions don't want competition in this racket, the UAW and anti labor lawyers already saying before the vote that they would sue if a workers council was created without them. In fact even if Tennessee lawmakers get the law repealed the UAW has vowed to take it to the NLRB to have the worker councils prevented.

                The only issue here is the power of the UAW, it's either them or nothing as far as the UAW is concerned.
                Blah, blah, blah... You are wrong as always. That's not the reason for anti-union laws no matter how much you babble unintelligent nonsense. The south's anti-union laws are designed specifically for political reasons and nothing else.
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                • What's the political benefit for the GOP to deny VW the ability to for this worker's council sans the UAW as the company wanted from the start?
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                    Blah, blah, blah... You are wrong as always. That's not the reason for anti-union laws no matter how much you babble unintelligent nonsense. The south's anti-union laws are designed specifically for political reasons and nothing else.
                    Look at your own link in the OP.

                    Originally posted by NYT
                    The U.A.W. said it would welcome a works council, but said that it would be legal only if a majority of workers had opted for a union. And many labor experts agree.

                    “If the company set up a representation system like that, a union would challenge it and they could probably win their argument that it’s a company-dominated union,” said Richard Hurd, a professor of industrial and labor relations at Cornell University. Such a union set up by the company would violate American labor law, he said.
                    Why would the GOP be behind such laws?

                    Also note that Hurd said the works council would violate American law (implying federal). This isn't just a Tennessee issue.
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                    • Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                      What's the political benefit for the GOP to deny VW the ability to for this worker's council sans the UAW as the company wanted from the start?
                      Being evil...?
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                      • I just realized that JRabbit quoted that same part already. Also, I already quoted it. So my stoned ass is literally forgetting what I'm saying, repeating, rambling, giggling (to myself), and generally acting the damn fool, but I've still got a better grasp on the situation than Oerdin does.
                        John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                        • Originally posted by 100% Wolf View Post
                          Being evil...?
                          The GOP can't carry the mustache twirling off well enough to pull that off effectively.
                          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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