Will Obamacare get its act together in time?

[Sava]

Barrack's

Good to build for the +15 XP bonus to units if you plan on waging war early on.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Shocking. Republican paper... has Republican views.

Obviously they didn't when they endorsed him in 2008 and 2012.









Scratch that, they likely did as they were looking at the long ball picture. Every 30 or so years you need an abyssmal failure like Carter or Obama to reinforce how pitiful the ideological underpinnings are.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Except that it doesn't you disingenuous dumb ****e, that phraseology was reserved for the fictional house bill not Landrieus Senate bill.

(Otherwise she wouldn't be continuing to press her bill forward in the senate and simply rely on an executive decree.) God you really are Kenobi light.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...gislative-fix/

Do you even read what you link?

"I’m encouraged that the President took action to stop the cancellation of insurance policies that people were promised they could retain," Landrieu said in a statement. "I was particularly happy to see the notification provision included, which is an important part of my bill. I will be working today and throughout the weeks ahead to support legislation to keep the promise."

The notification provision is not in the Upton bill and it is one of the reasons Obama said he would veto the bill. The Landrieu Bill is the same as Obama's recommendations with one exception - she'd let the currently plans be grandfathered for more than one year; however, unlike Upton, she wouldn't allow them be sold to new customers (which is quite key here, esp with the ACA requirements). I'm thinking its far more disingenuous to state Landrieu's Bill is basically the same as Upton's - when you put forth Upton's as a "bipartisan bill" and then tried to defend that laughable statement by then saying Upton is going to back Landrieu's Bill (which of course is a completely different bill from Upton's - seriously, Ogie).

And based on your logic, why exactly would House Dems be offering a bill rather than rely on executive decree?

Besides, Obama is right to reject Upton's Bill for one major reason:

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115593/upton-obamacare-bill-gop-fix-shows-its-warped-values

Note that the Upton bill doesn’t seek simply to leave existing policies in place for people who have them. It would also allow insurers to sell the policies to new customers. That goes way beyond grandfathering, because the cheaper, skimpier plans would siphon off the healthiest enrollees—and do so in perpetuity. This (probably) makes it worse than the (still objectionable) proposal Democrat Mary Landrieu has proposed in the Senate. If the Upton bill passed, Obamacare’s reforms of the market might become effectively meaningless. In short, the Upton bill is a not-thinly-disguised effort to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

[Imran Siddiqui]

And from the New Orleans Times Picayune:

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/11/obamas_health_care_fix_similar.html

Obama's health care fix similar to Mary Landrieu's bill

[Sava]

Obviously they didn't when they endorsed him in 2008 and 2012.

They just wanted to be on the right side of history. Do you even read the paper regularly?

Scratch that, they likely did as they were looking at the long ball picture. Every 30 or so years you need an abyssmal failure like Carter or Obama to reinforce how pitiful the ideological underpinnings are.

So butthurt... I'll mail you some tissue.

[Sava]

Do you even read what you link?

Ogie doesn't read. Reading is a leftist plot. Facts have a well known liberal bias.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

As of this writing Upton Bill passed, 39 dems voted for the Upton Bill. Yes bipartisan.

Fictional Democratic House leadership bill non existant.

[Imran Siddiqui]

To summarize and make this more simple:

Regarding willingness to negotiate. WH vows veto of bipartisan bill

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/11/15/White-House-vows-to-veto-GOP-healthcare-bill/UPI-31821384498800/

Obama threatens to veto the Upton Bill.

It means that you are a moron apparently as the Landrieu Bill has Upton's support as well, indicating he would be willing to support her bill rather than forward his own. Hers extended the pledge to keep your plans indiefinteily while his was less extensive and extended only through 2014.


http://washingtonexaminer.com/house-...rticle/2539067

Upton supports the Landrieu Bill, which is different in certain respects to the Upton Bill.

And then:

http://www.redstate.com/2013/11/14/fred-upton-supports-the-landrieu-obamacare-fix-so-does-barack-obama/

Fred Upton has said he supports Mary Landrieu’s bill. Barack Obama feels the same way.

(That last sentence linking to: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...96343789547558)

So, Obama said he would veto the Upton Bill, and is for (or hasn't said anything against) the Landrieu Bill. Upton said he would support the Landrieu Bill. 39 Dems voted for Upton's Bill, but no leadership, AFAIK.

It is the LANDRIEU BILL which is the bi-partisan one, as leadership on both sides have come out for it. And Obama has basically picked the bill he'd support and said he'd veto the other. Where is the refusal to negotiate here?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Dig and squirm worm while the Upton bill proves itself bipartisan via actual vote.

[Ben Kenobi]

LANDRIEU BILL which is the bi-partisan one

The Upton bill which just passed the house is bipartisan. 39 Dims and all the Republicans. Unlike Obamacare which had ZERO republicans.

Obama better start warming up that Veto pen if he wants to save O-Care.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Wrong 4 Repubs voted no.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Fictional Democratic House leadership bill non existant.

False.

House Democrats on Friday used a procedural maneuver to offer a plan of their own called “Landrieu lite,” intended to build upon the president’s fix and offer their members additional political cover. The Democratic proposal, which was rejected by Republicans, would have allowed people who like their current plans to retain them for an additional year. But, unlike with Mr. Upton’s bill, insurers would not be allowed to sell plans that previously faced cancellation to new customers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/16/us/politics/obama-to-meet-with-insurance-executives.html?hpw&rref=us

[Ben Kenobi]

Wrong 4 Repubs voted no.

I stand corrected! Who voted no?

[Ben Kenobi]

Hey, Imran, how much is it gonna hurt when O gets his veto rolled?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

False.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/16/us...ml?hpw&rref=us

What was the vote? Where is the langauge?