Pope sends direct message to Ben

[molly bloom]

She still made the decision to execute her.

She didn't. Her Parliament and Privy Councillors did, as did the examiners at the trial of Mary Stuart. Elizabeth eventually signed the death warrant, but characteristically tried to recall it. How many chances should she have given Mary Stuart ?

It's called excommunication.

It's also irrelevant, as Elizabeth was a Protestant.

[molly bloom]

What have I lost?

Elizabeth executed a ton of people for the 'crime' of being Catholic.

She did not. Her government passed legislation declaring certain aspects of the Catholic faith treasonous behaviour under certain circumstances following the Pope's issuing of the Papal Bull 'Regnans In Excelsis'. Only in 1577 did the first execution of a Catholic seminary priest take place, 7 years after the Pope had 'freed' English Catholics from their allegiance totheir rightful monarch and encouraged them to assassinate her or risk excommunication themselves.

I'm not quite sure why you keep expecting Elizabeth, her government and Protestants to follow the 'gentle Jesus meek and mild' line and allow Roman Catholics and the Pope off the hook and give them liberty to slaughter Huguenots by the tens of thousand and illuminate Spain and Portugal with autos da fe- don't the tenets of New Testament Christianity apply to all Christians, not just the variety you haven't converted to yet ?

I've accomplished my primary goal here.

If by that you mean making yourself look an uneducated obdurate bigot, then yes.

[molly bloom]

There's a difference between, "citing a book",

I thought you 'cited' a review of a book. 'Citing' and 'mentioning' are two different beasts.

[molly bloom]

[QUOTE=Ben Kenobi;6263373]

Again, the Act of Supremacy shows that /QUOTE]

How would anyone who hasn't read it know what it shows, since you haven't quoted anything from it in your posts ? Oh, except the title, which applied to two separate Acts of Supremacy, in two separate reigns.

Something you've clearly forgotten.

Which is why he forced people to worship him

I believe you're thinking of that Roman Catholic monarch, the 'Sun King' Louis XIV of France. Famously he said 'l'etat, c'est moi'. Henry wanted people to worship God, not Henry.

[molly bloom]

Here is what I know of Henry VIII:

-fat dude, face like a ham
-had a lot of wives, killed most of them

Was a sleek good looking man in his youth. Had Anne Boleyn executed and the marriage annulled, so technically he wasn't married to her. Catherine of Aragon died of tumour on the heart, I think. Jane Seymour, numero trois, died of puerperal fever. Anne of Cleves was happily never married to him, as the marriage was never consummated- something to do with her flabby face, big nose and droopy breasts. She was not executed. Catherine Howard, entering the lists at number 5, was a flighty young thing who seems not have been a virgin when she married Henry (not really her fault- she was the victim of power politics at Henry's court and seems not to have expected to marry a king one day...) and may have engaged in extra-marital doings when married to Henry.

Henry's government made such behaviour treasonous, so off came her head.

Katherine Parr outlived Henry.


So of six, he had two executed.

[molly bloom]

As usual, cited evidence has been ignored.

Just like you ignore other people asking you for facts, not your opinions.

And the reason why he couldn't tolerate defiance is because he believed he was the head of the Church. Not Christ.

You only say this because, as I've said before, you're crap at history. Take a note, Sister Bendy, class is now in session:

We are not the head of the Church if by the Church you mean the whole Mystical Body. Certainly not. It were blasphemous to suggest so, for Christ is its only head.
We have never meant this, as you perversely suggest.

Rather, we must distinguish, just as St Paul spoke both of the Church and the church of Corinth, so we must speak of the Church as a whole, whose head is Christ, and the Church of England of which we are head; and when we say we are head of this Church we mean head of the clergy of England.

Henry VIII Tudor to Cuthbert Tunstall, Bishop Of Durham

in David Wilkins' 'Concilia Magnae Britanniae et Hiberniae'

[molly bloom]

Ahh yes, so he wasn't a 'real' Catholic but a fake one.



False, false, false, false, false.

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Actually quite true- for a brief while, England became the centre oof Protestant Reformation thought in Western Europe. The Catholic trappings of Henry's Anglo-Catholicism were in the process of being done away with on Edward's early death. Elizabeth, to the evident dismay of more reform minded clerics and some of her government, brought back these trappings on coming to the throne.


Sucks to be you.

[Ben Kenobi]

Actually quite true- for a brief while, England became the centre oof Protestant Reformation thought in Western Europe.

A much written about and ballyhooed time. Much less is written about the previous 10 centuries when England was considered to be a Catholic bulwark.

One might consider the overabundance of published material for this brief period as opposed to the paucity of material about the latter evidence of severe historical bias against Catholicism.

But then what would you know about this time? It wasn't covered in grammar school.

I've said before, you're crap at history.

And yet, I have a history degree from an accredited university and you do not.

[rah]

Yes, we're all amazed. The bar must have been set pretty low.

[Sava]

probably a deaf affirmative action case

[giblets]

History is a joke subject anyway. All you do is write about stuff that happened.

[Ming]

But Ben just writes and teaches about stuff that didn't happen...

[Sava]

indeed

[Dinner]

Steven Fry got it all right.

[Dinner]

Ben should listen to this: