Why raising taxes is nessecary

[Aeson]

All I'm saying is that if you can't afford sugary stuff to keep your diabetes in check, then it's not the fault of insufficient food stamps because that **** is so ****ing cheap you would have to have literally zero assets to not be able to afford it.

You're not comprehending that hypoglycemia in insulin dependent diabetics is largely a problem with inconsistent diet. Once they are suffering from hypoglycemia it can be too late for the person to self-correct. The "fix" is (in part) to have a consistent diet.

The "fix" is not to go beg/steal sugar packets when hypoglycemia sets in.

And we can't prevent people from blowing all their money on drugs (the illegal kind, not insulin) and then being unable to get sugar. Even through food stamps, because lots of places have illicit markets where food stamps sell for some fraction of a dollar.

Irrelevant to whether we should help those we can, and they food stamps part is obviously not applicable to patients who had already been taken off of food stamps.

I do appreciate you going out of your way to make yourself look even more bigoted against the poor though.

[DinoDoc]

You sound hypoglycemic.

Heh. The real source of the problem for Dr. S's patient's seems to be poor money management skills if a small cut in food stamps is all it takes to make them loose control over their blood sugar. It seems like a better argument for teaching such habits in schools rather than raising taxes.

[Aeson]

Heh. The real source of the problem for Dr. S's patient's seems to be poor money management skills if a small cut in food stamps is all it takes to make them loose control over their blood sugar. It seems like a better argument for teaching such habits in schools rather than raising taxes.

Perhaps you should avail of some sugar packets? Your condition doesn't seem to be improving ...

A diet to help control diabetes is something people struggle with figuring out and maintaining even without budgeting concerns. A change in budget available for food will almost surely change diet and add complexity to maintaining consistent blood sugar levels through diet.

[Aeson]

That's before even considering whether or not the change in budget for food actually impacts whether the person can afford the necessary food or not.

[DinoDoc]

Perhaps you should avail of some sugar packets? Your condition doesn't seem to be improving ...

Perhaps you should avail yourself of some fiber? It might make you posts seem less snippy if you were less constipated.

A diet to help control diabetes is something people struggle with figuring out and maintaining even without budgeting concerns. A change in budget available for food will almost surely change diet and add complexity to maintaining consistent blood sugar levels through diet.

Diabetes doesn't actually make a person retarded, Aeson. Despite your claims to the contrary. That being said if a change in budget however small is all it takes to make them loose control over their control regimen, they've larger problems than how much they get in food stamps. People aren't supposed to treat these programs as lifestyle choices anyway.

[regexcellent]

Whenever my friend had low blood sugar, all that happened to him was he got really cranky. Then he'd swallow some cake icing and he'd be better in fairly short order.

[DinoDoc]

What your talking about is something to deal with emergencies not something that could be considered part of a real blood sugar control regimen.

[regexcellent]

Yes, of course. He has a pump and he was pretty careful to match the amount of insulin to what he was eating, but sometimes he'd overdo it.

[Aeson]

Perhaps you should avail yourself of some fiber? It might make you posts seem less snippy if you were less constipated.

Quite the opposite problem actually... thanks for your concern.

I would always be very "snippy" to those who are posting obviously stupid **** (especially when dumping on others based on ignorant stereotypes) on a message board. I don't view this as something that needs fixing.

Diabetes doesn't actually make a person retarded, Aeson. Despite your claims to the contrary.

Hypoglycemia can make people confused, and even unconscious. You are obviously confused, as you display here by conflating my statements with hypoglycemia causing these symptoms, and diabetes making people retarded. (Though I suppose it's possible diabetes could result in damage to the brain.)

I was simply being kind in assuming your confusion was due to low blood sugar rather than some intellectual deficiency on your part.

That being said if a change in budget however small is all it takes to make them loose control over their control regimen, they've larger problems than how much they get in food stamps.

You have already made several mistakes already in this thread. Perhaps you have larger problems than how much they get in food stamps.

People aren't supposed to treat these programs as lifestyle choices anyway.

Pure speculation on your part that any of the cases in question here are lifestyle choices. We simply do not have access to that information. You are only exhibiting your ignorance and bigotry with your insinuations.

[Egbert]

It's not surprising that HC would prefer the poor to be forced into petty thievery to control their (or their children's) diseases.

HC seems unable to understand that the poor would not starve to death quietly.

[DinoDoc]

Quite the opposite problem actually... thanks for your concern.

Concern implies caring about your existence to the slightest degree.

(especially when dumping on others based on ignorant stereotypes)

Real world experience with the disease tells me that what is on average 128$ a month for someone on Virginia in the SNAP program isn't what is going to be key to a blood sugar control regimen in any reasonable world view.

[Colonâ„¢]

The metro area decline is due to the exodus from the City though. From what I've read the surrounding communities are mostly doing OK.

Compared to the city proper perhaps, but not compared to the pheriphery in other metro areas (population wise). The numbers indicate that in Detroit a lot of those who left the core moved out of the metro altogether, whereas they typically stay around (or emigrants are replaced by new arrivals). Besides, in the end Detroit is a part of the metro.

[KrazyHorse]

In the end, the real point is that Detroit ran up a giant bill in the form of bonds and unfunded obligations, and no longer has the ability to meet those obligations.

Raising tax rates has basically nothing to do with it.

[Aeson]

Concern implies caring about your existence to the slightest degree.

(I of course care about your existence. Without you I'd have fewer instances of absurd ignorance to mock, and that would leave me feeling sad and empty and with a higher ratio of responses to HC and Reg.

Real world experience with the disease tells me that what is on average 128$ a month for someone on Virginia in the SNAP program isn't what is going to be key to a blood sugar control regimen in any reasonable world view.

It's not unreasonable to expect that someone who is struggling enough to need food stamps would have their effective food budget influenced by such a change. It's not like people with diabetes can just buy a vat of peanutbutter like some of us cisbetic would do. "Tightening your belt" is phrased that way for a reason.

[Wezil]

Detroit's financial crisis hasn't derailed the city's plans to spend more than $400 million in Michigan taxpayer funds on a new hockey arena for the Red Wings.

Advocates of the arena say it's the kind of economic development needed to attract both people and private investment dollars into downtown Detroit. It's an argument that has convinced Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder and Kevyn Orr, the emergency manager he appointed to oversee the city's finances, to stick with the plan. Orr said Detroit's bankruptcy filing won't halt the arena plans.

"I know there's a lot of emotional concern about should we be spending the money," said Orr. "But frankly that's part of the economic development. We need jobs. If it is as productive as it's supposed to be, that's going to be a boon to the city."

But critics say the project won't have enough economic impact to justify the cost, and that it's the wrong spending priority for a city facing dire economic conditions.

Detroit city services are already stretched extremely thin. On average, police take about an hour to respond to calls for help, and 40% of street lights are shut off to save money.

"If you want people to live in the city, and not just visit to go to games, you have to invest in schools, in having the police to respond to calls," said Gretchen Whitmer, the Democratic leader in the state senate. "There are so many investments that should trump a sports stadium."

Additionally, Orr wants to make deep cuts to both the pensions and health care coverage promised to city employees and retirees.

The state legislature approved the taxpayer funding for the arena in December. The controversial vote split Detroit's own legislative delegation. Whitmer argues that the matter should be reconsidered given the city's worsening finances.

"If the vote was held today, since the bankruptcy, I wouldn't put my money on it passing," she said.

LMAO!!

Yep, we can't pay the bills but the billionaire team owner needs a rink for his team. What can we do?!

What a joke.