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  • #91
    I thought you followed Catholic teaching on this? If I'm mistaken, I apologize.
    Catholic teachings permit a partial salpingetomy the case of an ectopic pregnancy. I'll dig up the documents.



    This distinction is derived from a moral principle called “double effect.” When a choice will likely bring about both an intended desirable effect and also an unintended, undesirable effect, the principle of double effect can be applied to evaluate the morality of the choice. The chosen act is morally licit when (a) the action itself is good, (b) the intended effect is good, and (c) the unintended, evil effect is not greater in proportion to the good effect. For example, “The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one’s own life; and the killing of the aggressor. . . . The one is intended, the other is not” (Catechism, no. 2263, citing St. Thomas Aquinas).
    A partial salpingectomy is performed by cutting out the compromised area of the tube (the tissue to which the embryo is attached). The tube is then closed in the hope that it will function properly again. A full salpingectomy is performed when implantation and growth has damaged the tube too greatly or if the tube has ruptured. These moralists maintain that, unlike the first two treatments, when a salpingectomy is performed, the embryo is not directly attacked. Instead, they see the tissue of the tube where the embryo is attached as compromised or infected. The infected tube is the object of the treatment and the death of the child is indirect. Since the child’s death is not intended, but an unavoidable secondary effect of a necessary procedure, the principle of double effect applies.
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    • #92
      And we have already decided when a person is a person. At birth.
      Who is this 'we', Kemo Sabe?
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      • #93
        Also, no Catholic in the world has the right to have an opinion on any issue involving morality.

        (ROME) — Italy’s bishops have adopted a Vatican-backed sex abuse policy that says they have no obligation to inform police if they suspect a child has been molested.

        The Italian Bishops’ Conference said the guidelines published Friday reflected suggestions from the Vatican’s office that handles sex abuse investigations.


        When your satanic child rape religion stops raping children, then you will be allowed to have an opinion.
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #94
          When your satanic child rape religion stops raping children, then you will be allowed to have an opinion.
          First Amendment to the US Constitution protects our right to free exercise of religion.
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          • #95
            no it doesn't

            child rape is illegal


            I mean. Oops. I don't know what you are saying.
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Sava View Post
              Agree. And we have already decided when a person is a person. At birth.
              Nope.
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Sava View Post
                I mean. Oops. I don't know what you are saying.
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                  Nope.
                  For those of us in reality, the issue is settled. And it's not ever going to change.
                  To us, it is the BEAST.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Sava View Post
                    For those of us in reality, the issue is settled. And it's not ever going to change.
                    Roe v. Wade specifically talked about viability. A good number of European countries don't allow abortions in the 3rd trimester aside from above mentioned exemptions. Younger generation is more anti-abortion (esp late term) than the older generation. The issue, especially in reality, isn't settled.
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                      Roe v. Wade specifically talked about viability. A good number of European countries don't allow abortions in the 3rd trimester aside from above mentioned exemptions. Younger generation is more anti-abortion (esp late term) than the older generation. The issue, especially in reality, isn't settled.
                      It would probably take a constitutional amendment.

                      How about this... you hold your breath until personhood gets changed to conception... and we'll see what happens.
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • It would take a constitutional amendment to overrule Roe v. Wade? Well, yeah.

                        Nice strawman btw .
                        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                        • dont judge me
                          To us, it is the BEAST.

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                          • It would probably take a constitutional amendment.
                            Why? Roe's trimester basis is based on 50 year old science. It's wholly outdated. Today we know far more than we knew back in 1972.
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                            • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                              Why? Roe's trimester basis is based on 50 year old science. It's wholly outdated. Today we know far more than we knew back in 1972.
                              Especially about institutionalized child abuse in the Roman Catholic Church and how the hierarchy acted to cover it up.


                              Was that what you had in mind ?
                              Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                              ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                              • DONT PAY ATTENTION TO THE MAN RAPING CHILDREN BEHIND THE CLOTH

                                BETTER LOCK DOWN THOSE VAHINAS LAWL
                                To us, it is the BEAST.

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