England Needs Stricter Knife Control

[Tupac Shakur]

BTW DinoDoc stole Drake's thread title: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=496549

1. Those titles aren't the same.

2. I'm not Drake.

3. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

[DinoDoc]

3. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

It was meant that way.

[Alexander's Horse]

Europe expelled the Moors, it could happen again. I'm amazed that Muslim extremists don't take heed of what happened to the Jews in the 20th century or that "community leaders" don't rein them in. They need to do more or the whole community could suffer in the end. Just look at recent European parliament results., anti-immigrant parties doing very nicely.

Europe has a long history of ethnic cleansing, we are in a tolerant liberal democratic phase at the moment, thank goodness, but that could change. I'm thinking a ten to twenty year timeframe if these outrages keep up. It's a slow burning issue, politicises people over time.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Why? The killers were clearly only out to kill a single soldier,

So the bit where they attacked the armed police response unit was just boyish high spirits?

[Tupac Shakur]

You mean the police response unit they threatened with a gun?

A dramatic video obtained by the Daily Mirror, reveals the moments after the first police unit arrived at the crime scene in Woolwich. The suspects apparently planned to attack first responders as the first man immediately rushed toward the police car with a knife while the other was aiming his revolver at the officers.

Sorry, but I don't see how the introduction of firearms would've made this particular incident any more deadly.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

The gun was the funniest bit. Twitters from witnesses say that they had a rusty-looking handgun, and when they attempted to fire it, the thing exploded and blew the nutter's finger off.

[Tupac Shakur]

As much as I love Boya Dee, I'm not sure I completely trust his account of events.

[MOBIUS]

This:

Woolwich: a knife crime, not an act of war

In overreacting to the frenzied stabbing in Woolwich yesterday, politicians and the police risk doing the killers’ dirty work for them.

What happened in Woolwich was horrific. However, there’s a real danger of overreacting. What we witnessed was a street murder, a frenzied knife attack carried out by two pathetic individuals claiming, in what sounded like South London accents, to be acting on behalf of aggrieved Muslims everywhere. It wasn’t a million miles away from those occasional senseless knife attacks by clinically insane people who claim to be Napoleon or Jesus Christ. Yet it’s being treated by politicians, the police and the media as an act of war, a terrifying challenge to Western civilisation. This elevation of an opportunistic murder to the level an all-out assault on our way of life graphically demonstrates how society itself can unwittingly do terrorists’ dirty work for them, by aggrandising their actions and amplifying their impact on politics and everyday life.

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Someone got killed. Pretty horrifically. Happens all the time in South London.

*Cue fits of outraged hyperbole from Molly Bloom...

[molly bloom]

He was a soldier, ****wit! S-O-L-D-I-E-R! Chances are he'd already seen service in Afghanistan.

Typical MOBIUS. When in doubt, don't bother with tiresome trivia such as facts, just go full throttle with the firm of innuendo and bias.

Also, by being a soldier it is a known fact that you do end up as a target for terrorists in the UK - or was your head in the sand throughout the troubles with the IRA?

No, but unlike yours, mine isn't up my arse either.

Has Al-Qaeda declared peace with the UK?

So when did the two individuals who carried out the attack join Al Qaeda ? If ever ? Supposition on your part. Also, and more to the point, he was in mufti, not in uniform. For all they knew, he could have been a contract worker at the barracks. Unless you're suggesting they were mindreaders too.

Still a soldier wearing a soldier's uniform.

Or as you put it:

****wit!

Even from the footage shown on t.v. you could see he was not in uniform.

What was your phrase ?

You, sir, are dense

That'll do nicely.

Apparently it's been tarted up a little. Back in my day it was a ****hole.

MOBIUS for 'writing inaccurate bullsh!t' apparently.

And Newport is the ****hole of South Wales

Exactly the line I thought you'd take. How tiresomely predictable.

So your argument is that a **** part of Wales is now as bad as where you live

I live in part of East London. London is rather larger than Newport.

I bet they're still better than Woolwich's

Given what you 'know' as opposed to what you 'think' about that area in Woolwich, who cares what you bet ?

[molly bloom]

*Cue fits of outraged hyperbole from Molly Bloom...

Actually the hyperbole and inaccuracy was in your posts. Woolwich a 'sh!thole' . Odd, when my friends lived there (about five minutes from where the murder took place) it wasn't anything like the way you portrayed it- as if it were twinned with 'The Wire'.

It's South London. The part that even Londoners are afraid to go to.

More hyperbole. South Londoners are afraid to go to South London. Unbelievable.

[QUOTE] [Look, the police massively dropped the ball on this /QUOTE]

Yeah, just look at those details of the time the first emergency call went in, the content of that call, etc. Oh no, it's a MOBIUS post- don't bother with those tedious things called facts.

More hyperbole:

and that most self-respecting Londoners never knowingly set foot south of the river further than the southbank...

What self-respect has to do with I'm not sure. Try finding out where the major attractions in London are situated- I can think of several south of the river but an awful lot more north of the river. That might say something about the centers of power in London and how the city developed and transport links but doesn't say anything about areas south of the river being undesirable. Many Londoners I suspect wouldn't want to go to areas of Hackney- which is north of the river.

Same old MOBIUS. Unfortunately.

[regexcellent]

I've never understood why there aren't more makeshift shotguns in the UK. It's not hard to build one All you need are two pipes, an end cap, and a nail. It'll even be fairly safe to fire.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Because you can buy them?

[regexcellent]

Are they not as restricted as I'm assuming?

I know they're legal but I thought you had to get some stupid license or something.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Yes, you need a licence, but it's not that difficult. Being a homeowner with no criminal record in a rural area, I'd be able to get one with no problem.

However if you carry one into central London, you will be shot by the police.

[Docfeelgood]

I've never understood why there aren't more makeshift shotguns in the UK. It's not hard to build one All you need are two pipes, an end cap, and a nail. It'll even be fairly safe to fire.

What is the material that is used in the pipe?