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“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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"The White House Has a New Slogan About Benghazi - Hope and Change the Subject." -- Jay LenoLast edited by SlowwHand; May 10, 2013, 18:15.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostActually it was more 'There are huge numbers of openly racist teabaggers and GOP types who hate Obama because of his race. You exhibit unexplained hatred towards the man for no discernible reason. Ergo I can only assume race is also your primary motivator'.
In addition, note that your initial "they hate the president despite [reasons I think they shouldn't]" argument relies on the tacit assumption that they are acting on the same information you are. In the age of cable news and the internet, that assumption is immensely improbable. Get a couple hundred randomly selected Obama-bashers together, and I'll wager you a good fifth of 'em think "death panels" are totally a real thing now.
Finally, while there certainly is an element of bigotry among the opposition--I only contest your claim that it's basically their whole motivation--the bigotry is probably more religious than racial. It doesn't matter that he's black when he was raised in a madrassa, y'know.
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Originally posted by Elok View PostTeabaggers are/were the radical wing of the GOP, intent on purging the party of moderates--not really representative of the mainstream, assuming there is a mainstream anymore. In addition, they weren't exactly a homogenous group; there were a bunch of birthers among them, but also a bunch of pro-lifers, a bunch of gun nuts, a bunch of Mexican-haters, probably a bunch who thought David Icke's lizardmen were running Congress...the only common element was a belief in low taxes and a dislike of the President. I don't know who you mean by "GOP types," since the only clear case of racism you've cited thus far is a couple of teabaggers with Obama=monkey posters.
Originally posted by Elok View PostIn addition, note that your initial "they hate the president despite [reasons I think they shouldn't]" argument relies on the tacit assumption that they are acting on the same information you are. In the age of cable news and the internet, that assumption is immensely improbable. Get a couple hundred randomly selected Obama-bashers together, and I'll wager you a good fifth of 'em think "death panels" are totally a real thing now.
Originally posted by Elok View PostFinally, while there certainly is an element of bigotry among the opposition--I only contest your claim that it's basically their whole motivation--the bigotry is probably more religious than racial. It doesn't matter that he's black when he was raised in a madrassa, y'know.
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Originally posted by kentonio View Post28% of Republicans identify as primarily Tea Party. Numerous Republican congressmen and senators are in office now purely because of support from the Tea Party. These aren't some tiny extremist fringe we're talking about here.
Would those same people buy into those lies if the candidate/president was a white guy from Virginia?
There's certainly a huge amount of religious hate, but much of it at its core is racial.
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostWould those same people buy into those lies if the candidate/president was a white guy from Virginia?
Probably.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Given all the other absurd crap people believe when they read it in an e-mail forward--and given the shallowness and spitefulness of politics in general--why should the actual traits of the person involved matter?
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Originally posted by Elok View PostWow, so that's...a quarter of them, more or less. A few of whom, at certain rallies, waved racist signs. Wild guess here: if you do some sloppy math, multiplying percentage of proven-crazy-racist teabaggers times teabagger representation in the GOP, you'll come up with a not-very-impressive number somewhere well shy of a million. A lot of Dems identified with the Occupy movement, for that matter, but that doesn't mean they're all clueless bongo-playing twerps.
Originally posted by Elok View PostAnd you know this how? Your experience watching American news? I've lived in a rural, conservative part of the U.S. for almost all of the past decade. I've lived in the U.S. for all but ten months of my life. You, by contrast, are a Brit who follows U.S. news. I am rock. You are scissors.
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Most of the teabaggers I know are pretty decent folk who are really just somewhat confused libertarians (pardon the redundancy) who want immigration reform, don't want Obamacare, and are for ending the drug war (as well as real wars). They also like their guns, and generally live in areas where guns are useful tools still. It's the neocons and fanatic religious right who are the scary wings.
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So what did the bongo-playing twerps in the White House do that was so terrible? If I have it right they claimed the attacks were caused by a film when the attacks were just ordinary islamic terrorism? I don't see how this is worse than Watergate as some seem to be suggesting.
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostYou're right, that is a pretty wild guess given that I quoted poll numbers earlier that point at about 9 million people being openly racist towards African Americans.
Ah we're back on the 'you foreigners wouldn't understand our 'merican ways'. Fair play.
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Also, they were molested as children. By nannies. Nannies with suggestively-shaped crumpets. The glue-sniffing, the wife-beating, the letting people call them a silly name like "Tory"--I've heard a lot of Beatles songs, so I know a thing or two about the psychological makeup of Britons, and clearly the naughty nannies are to blame for all of it.
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