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North Carolina GOP try and piss on the constitution
The legislation was filed in response to a lawsuit to stop county commissioners in Rowan County from opening meetings with a Christian prayer, wral.com reported.
praying doesn't violate the establishment clause, a law requiring us to pray does
but these people are trying to exempt themselves from the establishment clause
You're certainly free to do so, but you're wrong. You might disagree with Imran's opinions on things (certainly there is lots of room for disagreement on constitutional issues, hence the Supreme Court) but I've never seen reason to believe he didn't know the facts behind those opinions. Realistically Imran and MtG are the only two people I've seen here (who post frequently) who clearly know the Constitution well; not a surprise, I suppose, given their profession.
edit: And by know the Constitution well, I mean the caselaw around the Constitution. It's easy for anyone to have opinion on how the Constitution should be applied, but if you don't have a good understanding of the caselaw, you can't really cogently discuss it, since the caselaw is more important than the words themselves. It would be like discussing the Torah - sure, go ahead and interpret whatever you want, but if you haven't read the thousands of years of rabbinical opinions and interpretations, you might as well be talking to yourself.
1st amendment is incorporated under the due process clause, not privileges and immunities.
It's directly incorporated under the 14th Amendment, but a state level establishment of an official religion would also violate the Privileges & Immunities Clause. It's not like North Carolina isn't host to thousands of residents of other states.
What I'd like to see is the bastards actually pass it, then the Feds dry up every source of federal money to the state, and see how fast those boys get the **** unstuck off their heels and come back planter's hats in hand.
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this seems Constitutional to me? Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I only found that Congress couldn't mandate a religion, nothing about the states.
See Maryland and the Calvarts. Yes, it is constitutional.
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No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States
So does this mean Imran supports Catholic exemptations for Obamacare?
P+I would apply if North Carolina were to fine people for practicing a religion other than the state religion. Sorta like what Obama is doing, now that I think of it.
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It's directly incorporated under the 14th Amendment, but a state level establishment of an official religion would also violate the Privileges & Immunities Clause. It's not like North Carolina isn't host to thousands of residents of other states.
What I'd like to see is the bastards actually pass it, then the Feds dry up every source of federal money to the state, and see how fast those boys get the **** unstuck off their heels and come back planter's hats in hand.
It's not going to pass, obviously. There are tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of bills that you could churn up in the 99 state legislative houses in this country and some of them are retarded. Even if by some divine intervention (lol) this bill did pass one house, it wouldn't pass the other and Governor McCrory would not sign it.
It's directly incorporated under the 14th Amendment, but a state level establishment of an official religion would also violate the Privileges & Immunities Clause. It's not like North Carolina isn't host to thousands of residents of other states.
What I'd like to see is the bastards actually pass it, then the Feds dry up every source of federal money to the state, and see how fast those boys get the **** unstuck off their heels and come back planter's hats in hand.
Do they get to keep the $61.6 billion they sent in last year? Might not be a bad idea for them.
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praying doesn't violate the establishment clause, a law requiring us to pray does
but these people are trying to exempt themselves from the establishment clause
Praying can be, if it's mandated by a government board. Acts implicitly establishing religion depend on the context - Roy Moore's ten commandments in the Alabama Supreme Court rotunda are an example - what was ironic is all these cracker idiots going up there and prostrating themselves around it and prayin' away, forgetting that one on there about idolatry. Since the 10 commandments statue was by itself the centerpiece in the rotunda of the state's highest court, that kinda created a problem. Take the same thing, arrange it with other religious and non-religious lawgiving examples like Hammurabi's code and the Code of Justinian, the Magna Carta, etc., now you have your ten commandments in the courthouse without a problem.
IMO, it's really a "so-what?" sort of thing, if it's just a routine prayer. I've been to dozens of public agency board and public meetings that started with a prayer, the pledge of allegiance, or both. It's really not worth rocking the boat over, unless it's coupled with other acts that show a substantial bias.
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Imran has never been very competent with the constitution.
This post of yours is fuckin' stupid. Because you find yourself disagreeing with Imran on things, doesn't mean that Imran is incompetent on the issues he discusses.
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
Do they get to keep the $61.6 billion they sent in last year? Might not be a bad idea for them.
They'd still be drastically in the red. Especially if we decided to have a new BRAC take a look at repositioning Bragg/Pope and Lejeune units and shutting those puppies down. I'm sure plenty of red states would jump at the chance to host that huge injection of federal money.
If they wanted to keep their money, we could charge 'em all tolls for every time they leave the state and import duties for everything they bring in from other states too.
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It's not going to pass, obviously. There are tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of bills that you could churn up in the 99 state legislative houses in this country and some of them are retarded. Even if by some divine intervention (lol) this bill did pass one house, it wouldn't pass the other and Governor McCrory would not sign it.
It would be fun, though.
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I think the Civil War was a mistake. We should have let those backwards cousin ****ing retards have their own nation.
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I think the Civil War was a mistake. We should have let those backwards cousin ****ing retards have their own nation.
Damn right. Anytime ya'll are ready.
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You might disagree with Imran's opinions on things (certainly there is lots of room for disagreement on constitutional issues, hence the Supreme Court) but I've never seen reason to believe he didn't know the facts behind those opinions. Realistically Imran and MtG are the only two people I've seen here (who post frequently) who clearly know the Constitution well; not a surprise, I suppose, given their profession.
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