He'd be a villain in New York

[Sava]

no
they'll think they are superman or the matrix and can dodge bullets
best to shoot

[PLATO]

Why couldn't the home owner just show the gun to the guy, and point it without shooting to hold the guy on the spot and then clear things up?

That would have been great if he had known that the kid:
1.) Wasn't armed
2.) Was drunk
3.) Was a kid

Might have been possible if it:
1.) Had not been the middle of the night
2.) The kid had not come in through a window

Very sad situation. My bet is that no body regrets more (with the exception of the kids family) more than the guy who shot him.

[DinoDoc]

Might have been possible if it:
1.) Had not been the middle of the night
2.) The kid had not come in through a window

3) Had not ignored a warning shot from the homeowner.

[Sava]

My bet is that no body regrets more (with the exception of the kids family) more than the guy who shot him.

if he regrets it so much, he would have taken the time to identify the threat (or lackthereof)

regret is just something psychos tell people they feel so everyone doesn't figure out they are psycho

neighbor prolly masturbates to the memory

[Dauphin]

Drivers have a responsibility to always avoid collisions, regardless of fault, and defensive shooters have a responsibility to avoid accidents such as this, but they cannot be considered culpable absent some sort of negligence, nor should they be.

When you run around drunk at 2AM there are dozens, maybe hundreds, of possible deadly accidents. This one happened to involve something politically sensitive. If he got hit by a car, or fell off a roof, or drowned in a pool, there would be no controversy, despite those all being roughly equivalent.

I don't know the details of the shooting, and pass no judgement on the need or negligence of the fatal shooting. But to compare it to a traffic accident is stupid unless the drunk teenager walked into the line of fire of a shooting range (or other location where shots were being fired regardless of his presence)

[Uncle Sparky]

If he got intentionally run over by a car, or pushed off a roof, or was held under water until he drowned in a pool, there would be no controversy, despite those all being roughly equivalent.

Corrected. Those would be the rough equivalent. Shooting someone isn't a passive act no matter the circumstances.

[Sava]

but the gun just "went off"

[DaShi]

That happens to all of us.

[MrFun]

Corrected. Those would be the rough equivalent. Shooting someone isn't a passive act no matter the circumstances.

Good point. HC's examples were not exactly equivalent the way he worded them.

[molly bloom]

Does anyone have comparative figures on-

2- the number of ex-Marines who have just, y'know, shot people.

?

Charles Whitman killed 14 from the University of Texas Bell Tower. Before that, he killed his wife. Eddie Ray Routh makes for another two deaths. I thought Mark Essex might be an ex-Marine, but he was ex-Navy....

[Sava]

That happens to all of us.

speak for yourself quickdraw mcgraw

[The Mad Monk]

Yeah, a bumbling drunk kid tripping over himself coming up the stairs. I'd shoot the ****er in the nuts and rape his corpse if I could. Open and shut.

Freedom.

In the dark with an alarm going off and an unknown person that has come through the window, how do you gauge proportionate?

.

[Sava]

Yeah, a bumbling drunk kid tripping over himself coming up the stairs. I'd shoot the ****er in the nuts and rape his corpse if I could. Open and shut.

Freedom.