Five months on, Benghazi killers back to work and business as usual

[kentonio]

It was time to get serious before, but it didn't happen. That should in no way make us not get serious now. In fact, seeing what happened with Bush's accountablity, the country should be motivated for it not to happen again. Sadly, you speak to agreat point when you imply that partisan politics will once again overrule national accountability.


Finally, U.S. citizens need to wake up and realize that invasions and bombing campaigns are not just made for TV events. They affect real people and have real consequences. The sooner we start holding politicians accountable for those consequences the better it will be for everyone in the world...including those that are left to try and pick up the pieces in countries we have devestated.

The problem is though that you can't have a national debate about fairness if that fairness only applies to half the political spectrum. Clinton lied about a blowjob and they start impeachment proceedings. Bush starts a war based on lies that kills thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and sends the US economy into meltdown and nothing happens. Then an ambassador gets killed under Obama and we're back to talking about proper oversight?

It's not too late to take action over the potential crimes of the previous administration, being out of office does not or should not at least give those responsible a get out of jail free card. If the Republicans are serious about restoring oversight then they need to take responsibility for the past as well as the future.

[Sava]

Zevico is a toolbag

[PLATO]

The problem is though that you can't have a national debate about fairness if that fairness only applies to half the political spectrum. Clinton lied about a blowjob and they start impeachment proceedings. Bush starts a war based on lies that kills thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and sends the US economy into meltdown and nothing happens. Then an ambassador gets killed under Obama and we're back to talking about proper oversight?

It's not too late to take action over the potential crimes of the previous administration, being out of office does not or should not at least give those responsible a get out of jail free card. If the Republicans are serious about restoring oversight then they need to take responsibility for the past as well as the future.

I see several problems with this statement, but in the interest of not starting a complete threadjack about things that have already been debated a thousand times, I will say this...

I am all for accountability on the part of the government and I think that starting now is better than never starting.

[MRT144]

The problem is though that you can't have a national debate about fairness if that fairness only applies to half the political spectrum. Clinton lied about a blowjob and they start impeachment proceedings. Bush starts a war based on lies that kills thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and sends the US economy into meltdown and nothing happens. Then an ambassador gets killed under Obama and we're back to talking about proper oversight?

It's not too late to take action over the potential crimes of the previous administration, being out of office does not or should not at least give those responsible a get out of jail free card. If the Republicans are serious about restoring oversight then they need to take responsibility for the past as well as the future.

The worst thing about the Bush lie is that people will just be like "Oh, we were misinformed" to the point that you have to either assume we have the worst intelligence agency in the world or there really were stockpiles of WMD and mobile labs and all this ****.

[Sava]

Just remember... the Bush Iraq lie is worse than 1,000 Benghazis if we go by bodycount.

Btw, Republicans claim there is this big coverup. What's being covered up? It's circular logic. There's a coverup! About what? The information! What information? The information that's being covered up!

Translation: durrrr OBAMA durrrrr

[PLATO]

The worst thing about the Bush lie is that people will just be like "Oh, we were misinformed" to the point that you have to either assume we have the worst intelligence agency in the world or there really were stockpiles of WMD and mobile labs and all this ****.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/16/opinion/oe-kirchick16

I guess we should let the threadjack begin.

Typical Liberal crap to divert the issue from a PRESENT day failure of the annointed one....

[Jon Miller]

I don't understand how that is relevant?

JM

[Jon Miller]

There are many (and terrible) mistakes about Iraq that do not include the initial mistake of thinking Iraq had WMDs.

JM

[kentonio]

There are many (and terrible) mistakes about Iraq that do not include the initial mistake of thinking Iraq had WMDs.

JM

Everyone had a right to think they had WMD's, because they did have WMD's at one time. They used them on the Kurds for one thing. I'd never hold that assumption against anyone, or indeed anyone who believed the other evidence that was presented. Perhaps their worst crime was to erode that trust so deeply.

[kentonio]

Typical Liberal crap to divert the issue from a PRESENT day failure of the annointed one....

So we've gone from hoping the partisan divisions in America can be removed to throwing around terms like 'Liberal crap' and 'annointed one'?

[MRT144]

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun.../oe-kirchick16

I guess we should let the threadjack begin.

Typical Liberal crap to divert the issue from a PRESENT day failure of the annointed one....

So our intelligence is crap. Got it.

[MRT144]

Just remember... the Bush Iraq lie is worse than 1,000 Benghazis if we go by bodycount.

Btw, Republicans claim there is this big coverup. What's being covered up? It's circular logic. There's a coverup! About what? The information! What information? The information that's being covered up!

Translation: durrrr OBAMA durrrrr

Lunatics run the asylum.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

The point is and has always been about respect of international sovereignty. In the case of Iraq the overarching point was whether it was proper to inject western world forces into an otherwise sovereign nation and overthrow its leadership. While I believe the US had legal right to do so in light of the constant material breaches in UN resolutions that were otherwise required to be complied with in order to maintain a state of ceasefire, it was ill advised to start a precedent of overt governmental overthrow.

And while the moralistic arguements of "but, but, but... genocide" continues to be made for ever increasing involvements that is not a decision for the executive alone to make, particularly since it impacts the state and strength of the concept of sovereignty.

[Sava]

Typical Liberal crap to divert the issue from a PRESENT day failure of the annointed one....

Nope. Just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy by Republicans.

And where is the so called failure? **** happens. People died. You learn from it and move on. A few terrorists got lucky... in a war torn region. It's not like there was a memo on August 8th that went ignored... leading to a massive loss of life and spectacular attack on an American city.

By making this thing an issue, Republicans are only continuing to show their lack of credibility... on everything. Maybe you should get a leg to stand on before you try running a marathon.

[PLATO]

Nope. Just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy by Republicans.

And where is the so called failure? **** happens. People died. You learn from it and move on. A few terrorists got lucky... in a war torn region. It's not like there was a memo on August 8th that went ignored... leading to a massive loss of life and spectacular attack on an American city.

By making this thing an issue, Republicans are only continuing to show their lack of credibility... on everything. Maybe you should get a leg to stand on before you try running a marathon.

Not hardly. Perhaps you should actually learn what is going on in Libya even now instead of just living the Chris Matthews inspired life.