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  • #46
    Given that the President does not pass the budget, please explain the relevance of a President not passing a budget?

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    • #47
      The President proposes the budget to congress based upon the recomendations of the cabinet for the needs of their respective departments for the coming year. Congress, as the people's direct representatives, evaluates the proposals to ensure that they are serving the needs of the people and conforming to the existing laws. Congress is then charged with raising the revenue to fund the approved budget.

      That's the theory anyway.

      The problem with this President is that he wants to spend by fiat and not propose a budget for debate by the people's representatives.
      "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
        They couldn't have done it if it was called a tax.
        I still don't understand how a bill that didn't come from the House could be called a tax.
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        • #49
          Tax provisions were passed by reconciliation in the senate.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Straybow View Post
            I say oppose Hagel because he's too soft on Hamas, Iran, etc. And why should the Republicans validate the token bipartisan act of the most partisan President in history?
            Most partisan president in history. If you're seriously this ignorant of history...
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            • #51
              Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
              Nonsense. 4 years, zero budgets. If he were willing to work with Republicans, he would have passed the first budget he saw when the Democrats controlled both houses.
              How does that make any goddamn sense?

              He doesn't pass a budget when his own party is in control there, ergo he's only conspiring to work against Republicans? What the ****, you're seriously illogical.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                This would be one of the reasons most people question the sanity of hardcore Republicans.
                Many of which seem to be thriving here on Poly.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                  Given that the President does not pass the budget, please explain the relevance of a President not passing a budget?
                  That would be the Senate for four years and counting. Before that it was the house as well until GOP retook it and promptly fulfilled their responsibilities by passing budgets in the house for two years running that never were considered in the Senate.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by MRT144 View Post
                    How does that make any goddamn sense?

                    He doesn't pass a budget when his own party is in control there, ergo he's only conspiring to work against Republicans? What the ****, you're seriously illogical.
                    There has been a concerted effort to avoid responsibilty. The decision was made early on that congress critters coudn't be held liable for the deficits if they didn't vote on budgets. It was clear as day that Pelosi was attempting to save as many as possible in the run up to midterms by allowing members not to be on record for the cluster**** they were creating. An approach Reid has similarly adopted going forward.
                    "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                    “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                    • #55
                      Clearly you are talking fact based here...
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                        Tax provisions were passed by reconciliation in the senate.
                        If this is so, how did it avoid triggering the provisions of the law prohibiting taxes from being reviewed by the courts until they go into effect?
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                        • #57
                          He doesn't pass a budget when his own party is in control
                          Thank you.

                          So it's not the Republicans who are obstructing.
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                          • #58
                            He doesn't ever pass a budget you idiot.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
                              That would be the Senate for four years and counting. Before that it was the house as well until GOP retook it and promptly fulfilled their responsibilities by passing budgets in the house for two years running that never were considered in the Senate.
                              Looks like the House failed to pass a budget that the Senate would agree on. How is the Senate more responsible than the House for their failure to reach an agreement?

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                                He doesn't ever pass a budget you idiot.
                                In Obama's case this is a truism. In every other presidency POTUS approves the budgets as they become due via any other apprproaiations bill. House and Senate create and approve of budgets and get approved by POTUS per Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974.

                                http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/federa...dget_page4.htm

                                also

                                http://budget.house.gov/budgetprocess/
                                Last edited by Ogie Oglethorpe; January 9, 2013, 13:53.
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                                “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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